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DoD Official: U.S. Committed to Countering Chinese Military Intimidation in South East Asia

A naval soldier of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) views through a pair of binoculars onboard China’s first aircraft carrier Liaoning as it visits a military harbor on the South China Sea. Xinhua Photo

While revoking China’s invitation from the Rim of the Pacific 2018 maritime exercises was a symbolic move, it sent a signal that the United States is willing to confront Beijing and maintain American leadership in the Western Pacific, the top Pentagon official for the region said Tuesday.

Taking a stand against China’s bullying and harassment of its neighbors and its territorial claims “finds the United States and many other countries side-by-side,” Randall Schriver, assistant secretary for Asia-Pacific affairs, said at an American Enterprise Institute forum on Southeast Asia said on Tuesday.

Chinese maritime forces conduct “more shadowing, more harassment,” he said. In addition to the China Coast Guard and People’s Liberation Army Navy Beijing also employs its maritime militia to intimidate crews of fishing vessels operating in disputed waters.

Schriver called the continued militarization of the South China Sea the most troubling aspect of Beijing’s belligerency in asserting regional dominance.

“Militarization is problematic” as China continues turning reefs into artificial islands with airfields, naval stations and installs anti-air and anti-ship missile systems to put teeth into its dubious sovereignty claims, he said.

On the maritime side, responses to what Beijing threats and actions include continuing freedom of operations missions and “perhaps more nations participating in presence” missions. In both cases, Beijing knows other countries are watching what they are doing at sea or with those reefs.

Earlier he mentioned continued smaller exercises than RIMPAC 2018 — Cobra Gold for example or a second ASEAN [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] second maritime event — as another important in countering the Chinese. They show American commitment and interest in building their security capacity, as it did in the Philippines in counterterrorism operations. Schriver also cited the value of USS Carl Vinson‘s carrier strike group making a port call at DaNang, Vietnam and the sale of a Coast Guard cutter to Hanoi for patrol duty as shows of American support to a neighbor with testy relations with Beijing’s.

There also has to be cost imposition for this kind of repeated behavior by the Chinese, he said, and the best way to do that “is shine a light on these activities. It is a concern to everyone in the region” — not just the United States.

Chinese meddling extends beyond territorial claims and military assertiveness, he added.

Schriver said that Australia and Malaysia have publicly fingered China for trying to corrupt their politics through influence buying and large tainted business deals, through its One Belt/One Road initiative.

“China has a strategy” that looks to the long-term in rolling out its plans and goals. It’s up to the United States and its allies and partners, like Japan, Australia and New Zealand is to quickly “blunt the erosion of sovereignty” through developmental aid and investment in Southeast Asian nations, as well as building their security capacity.

“We’re not going to do what China does” in either bullying or investing in such a way that the project eventually defaults to Washington’s control, as happened with a port in Sri Lanka. Citing the record of USAID in the region, “we want them to graduate” to run the project without American assistance and that “is in stark contrast to how China approaches” development projects — from ports, highways, airports and railroads.

Schriver said working with the State Department on the investment and diplomatic side the Pentagon through the Maritime Security Initiative is helping a number of nations improve their own awareness as to what is happening in their waters — from illegal fishing to mineral extraction. A combination of better equipment — namely radar, security training, attention to organization and a new emphasis on information sharing with neighbors — is helping in this regard.

When asked about Taiwan, he answered the United States needed “to think creatively” about its non-diplomatic level relations with Taipei. “It is an important contributor of the free and open concept” of governance the United States is trying to promote regionally.

In his opening remarks, he criticized Myanmar [Burma] for the repression of its Muslim minority population and its arrest of journalists trying to cover what is happening there. Schriver called the recent voting in Cambodia “a sham election [where] the military was used to threaten the people” on how to vote.

The biggest challenge is to stop “the erosion of individual state sovereignty” in the wake of Chinese diplomatic, economic and military pressure.

  • Curtis Conway

    Has an international (other than Chinese) aircraft landed on any of the Chinese artificial islands? Has a international cruise ship, container ship, cargo ship, or merchant marine ship called on any of the deep water ports on these islands? Everytime anyone gets close to one of these islands, the Chinese threaten the ‘INTRUDER’ over the radio with “we don’t want miscalculations” radio calls. Does this sound like non-military activity? the Chinese claim peaceful purposes for the islands, while they threaten violence against anyone approaching them.

    China is a signatory of UNLCOS (United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea of 10 December 1982), and all of this activity is prohibited. In some cases the locations are not only claimed by other countries, but lying in other countries EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone), or in said territorial waters under dispute. China INSIST on a ‘Rule by Conquest’ resolution methodology, or their interpretation of UNCLOS. The question is ‘will the rest of the world permit this to continue’.

    • proudrino

      Your points are exactly why the current administration has ramped up freedom of navigation exercises in the region despite claims of warmongering by Democrats. The current FON policy dates from 1983 but the previous adminstration was cowardly in actually stopping China from weaponizing artificial islands and the current situation is a result. Mr. Schriver is correct in stressing a regional/international response to this situation.

      • Curtis Conway

        Participated in more than one. Freedom of navigation on the High Seas in International Waters is not an easy job in some seas/oceans on some parts of the planet. Those who honor and value Freedom don’t have a problem with Freedom of Navigation on the High Seas at this level. Those who simply must CONTROL everything around them . . . do not!

        • .Hugo.

          maybe you should say fonops is a direct result of u.s. dominance/hegemony being challenged instead?
          .
          do remind you that there is no definition of fon in unclos. there is only innocent passage, and fonops is not innocent.
          .

      • .Hugo.

        as a non-scs state and a non-unclos signatory, just what rights the u.s. has to stop china from enhancing its defense capabilities on the islands within its eez as granted by unclos, and provided that many scs states have invaded the chinese scs territory since the 1960s?

        • Dean687

          Ponder this chinaman. You can come here to the U.S. and speak your mind and share your thoughts (even though you are 100% wrong) nothing will happen to you. You do the same in China, on some forum, being critical and such, and you and your entire family and even your extended family will disappear. Such a great country you have, no wonder are ‘here’ and not ‘there.’

          • .Hugo.

            ponder what? i only look at facts, and they tell me the u.s. is a non-scs state and a non-unclos signatory. so i just don’t see what rights the u.s. has to stop china which is a scs state and an unclos signatory. 🙂
            .
            and when was your last time reading through a chinese forum to see how the readers discuss and criticize the policies?

          • Todd

            You’re hitting bottom and you don’t even realize it, quick someone get the popcorn, we all can’t wait to see what you say next.

          • .Hugo.

            i am also waiting to see how you can justify the u.s. actions when the u.s. is a non-scs state and a non-unclos signatory. 🙂
            .

      • PolicyWonk

        I’m sure you would’ve started a war when China started to weaponize the islands they “reclaimed”, right?

        Anyone who expects China to follow the rules, the terms of a business contract, or limitations of any treaties they enter into is a fool, because that would defy thousands of years of tradition: they’ll sign anything to get what they want/need, and then will proceed however they see fit.

        This is what happened during the Bush years, when they gave away 10’s of thousands of dual-use technologies during 2001-2008, in what the US National Intelligence Estimates declared was a technology giveaway that easily eclipsed every previous administration in history.

        But as is typical with some, everything is/was somehow Obama’s fault. The guy was *hardly* a perfect POTUS – but he was vastly superior to the current incumbent, let alone his predecessor, by any reasonable measure.

        • .Hugo.

          which treaty has china singed and not followed? and are you expecting china to follow rules set by the US without china’s participation in the process? hmmm…….

          • PolicyWonk

            Heh… Without China’s participation in the process?

            BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaaa (gasp)

            They signed and violated virtually every proprietary/technology agreement put before them. And they did it with the Russians as well: they bought tons of Russian gear; reverse engineered it, and sold them off as originals.

          • .Hugo.

            why not just tell us which treaty china has not signed and followed? and what rule the u.s. is referring to which china has actually participated in the making process?
            .
            why not just show one little example? too hard to do so? hehe….
            .

    • DaSaint

      One thing, completely apart from the excellent points you make, and apart from the issue really, is that we should be amazed (and cautioned) at the engineering capability that China is demonstrating. It is no simple feat to identify, plan, and execute multiple reef/island-building initiatives in just a few years. That takes a tremendous amount of marine engineering, dredging, and construction capability. The US if falling far behind in this type of engineering, first to the Dutch, and now to the Chinese.

      • Curtis Conway

        DaSaint, they have a STATED GOAL of going to the moon, and establishing a permanent presence. What program in the United States launched the most effective advances in our science & engineering disciplines ? . . The Space Program. Now, who makes (manufactures) some of our most advanced digital elements in our economy (and some defense too)?

        Does this sound like a good equation to you for a potential adversary that built artificial islands in the South China Sea, then (extra UNCLOS, with most liberal interpretation) DECLARED THEM SOVEREIGN Territory?! We have big problems, and I’m not sure the entire administration understands the ramifications, particularly when the kinds of policies about digital data, and the manufacturers of digital displays (ZTE and others) come out of the administration without consideration for the vulnerabilities incorporated create questionable systems integrity. Some Chinese displays were actually incorporated into C-130 combat systems before they were discovered (contractor substitution), and this is on communications systems.

        • DaSaint

          I agree. Unlike our annual budget, I don’t believe the Chinese are as constrained as we are in allocating resources to R&D as well as defense expenditures. We broke the Soviet Union’s back by outspending them to bankruptcy. We need to be careful that that same model isn’t turned around and used against us.

        • Centaurus

          Space Force…Space Force, YAY !

      • Curtis Conway

        Unfortunately, we have already given them a leg up economically & technologically, and paid for it too.

        • PolicyWonk

          Sir,

          We are nowhere near done paying for the problems we created for ourselves, when we simply gave away many thousands of dual-use technologies from 2002-2008, solely in return for the short term profits of party donors.

          The US NIE was less than flattering in their assessment of what they declared was probably the worst national security disaster in US history, let alone one for every nation in the asia-pacific region.

          We’ll be paying for that short-sighted stupidity for the rest of our lives, and far beyond, barring a miracle.

          • Curtis Conway

            2002-2008 ??? William Jefferson Clinton gave them (via LORAL) the ability to put ballistic missiles on target WITH PRECISION.

          • PolicyWonk

            Sadly, whatever Clinton did was a joke in comparison to the administration of GWB, and that’s according to the US NIE. To paraphrase, they declared the dual-technology giveaway during 2002-2008 as far worse than all previous administrations *combined*.

            The Chinese acquired more technology in 6 years (just given to them!) than the USSR got in 60 years of Cold War. That didn’t count losing 30% of the strategic manufacturing base, or the 8M+ US jobs, and the tax base that went with it.

    • vetww2

      You can bet your patootie. Just like Crimea and UKRAINE. WEAKNESS ENGENDERS AGGRESSION.

    • TomD

      Actually you raise a good point.

      If the Chinese were really smart they would be building a few luxury resorts on SCS islands and sailing luxury cruise ships out of Hong Kong to them, with tourist packages marketed in Europe and North America. “See how peaceful we are? Have another Margarita!”

      • Curtis Conway

        A dead (pun intended) giveaway of true intent.

      • .Hugo.

        reutersDOTcom/article/us-southchinasea-china-idUSKCN0Z80GJ
        .
        family members of the personnel stationed on the islands have also visited the islands on civilian flights:
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        way to go… 😉

    • .Hugo.

      has any country allowed any vessel to make port calls without first applying in a non-emergency situation? will it not be considered as an intruder by any country if it has not done so?
      .
      how ‘military’ can a simple radio warning call be? how is it not peaceful when there are light houses, storm shelters, medical facilities, and airfields for emergency medivac to protect the people living and working in the area?
      .
      the one threaten violence is actually the u.s. navy with fonops — a pure military operation in other country’s eez.
      .
      and you are wrong with unclos. to the exact opposite, unclos allows any signatory to build anything in its eez (article 56.1(b)(i), and both unclos rules and the signatory’s maritime law apply in the relevant host country’s eez (article 58).
      .
      the ‘rule of conquest’ resolution methodology is mainly used by the west and its vassals. e.g. the u.s.-backed philippine invasion of the chinese islands and shoals form the 1960s to 1999.
      .

  • Marcd30319

    Dr. Andrew S. Erickson stated in this article “Navy: Chinese Spy Ship Monitoring RIMPAC Exercise, Again” dated July 13, 2018:

    “The U.S. shouldn’t let China have it both ways. No matter what Beijing says or does, U.S. forces must continue to operate wherever international law permits, including in, under, and over the South China Sea—a vital part of the global maritime commons that is 1.5 times the size of the Mediterranean and contains substantial areas that no nation can legally claim for itself or restrict access to in any way.”

    Dr. Ericksonis a professor of strategy at the U.S. Naval War College and a core founding member of the China Maritime Studies Institute (CMSI) there, and he knows what he is talking about. Kudos to Sam LaGrone for including such informed commentary for this article.

    Please note — Anyone objecting to highlighting material cited in this article by this post and then keeps repeatedly deleting that very same post is nothing but a troll, and proves that the USNI News message board should be restricted to USNI members only!

    • NavySubNuke

      It is both humorous and sad the way some people will flag any post they don’t agree with. Especially when you have a paid Chinese troll like Hugo prowling the board….

      • Marcd30319

        Absolutely true! And the USNI News Blog staff let’s this happen.

  • proudrino

    Just a nit to pick here.

    Mr. Randall Schriver is the Assistant Secretary of Defense for Asian and Pacific Security Affairs. This could easily be confused with The Assistant Secretary of State for East Asian and Pacific Affairs (Ms. Susan Thornton). So…. when an article only calls Mr. Schriver “a Pentagon official” and shorthands his title to “assistant secretary for Asia-Pacific affairs” it not only leads to confusion but it is sloppy reporting.

  • Curtis Conway

    Claiming Righteousness in an EEZ of your own making is Rich, particularly when the territory is contested, and the resolution (save one of CONQUEST) has not been determined, except by those who conquered and gained the most from the exercise.

  • proudrino

    Yeah we get it. People like you think Obama was perfect and Trump is evil. Your “viewpoint” is as tiresome as it is uninformed. You ask what the cowardly Obama could have done to stop China from building those bases. I counter by asking you what exactly he did do? The answer, of course, is absolutely nothing. Obama also did nothing with regard to NK and nukes which is why the situation is so serious now. But Obama did manage to give Iran billions to further their terrorist activities and threaten the very existence of Israel.

    Bottom line, you may not like Trump or his policies in the region but at least he is engaged. Nobody has ever accused Obama of giving a rat’s behind about the region and his administration was AWOL for eight years. Mr. Trump has to do a lot of work to make up for that cowardice and bad policy.

    • son5G

      Isn’t it just trolling when we look backwards and offer nothing new?

      There has been a serious lack of effective leadership in the Executive Office for quite a while. Maybe next time.

      Regarding China, I don’t understand why we didn’t push to make better friends in the region and why not strategically invest in good outcomes in the region. Heck, even getting serious about helping the militaries of India, Japan and Australia to give China more things to keep track of would be a start.

      • .Hugo.

        because their economies depend on china very much, and china is not threatening their interest.

    • DaSaint

      Obama is gone. Trump can land forces on those islands or stop trade with China at any moment. Why doesn’t he?

      We can no longer look to the past. That’s done, right or wrong. Can/will the current administration fix the problem is the question. Do you think they can/will solve the problem?

      • vetww2

        We can only, at this late state, prepare plans for the neutralization of these bases in the unlikely, but real, case of overt aggression. Another street organizer with ignorant advisors could accomplish this.

        • DaSaint

          He’s gone. Get over it.

          The ball is in the current POTUS’ court. It really is. We have one POTUS at a time, and everything becomes his responsibility for that period of time. So the current inhabitant is now responsible for whatever he inherited, and it’s now on his watch how he deals with it. If he doesn’t, then it becomes the next POTUS’ responsibility. And so on.

          That’s how it works…

      • Centaurus

        Lets roll the dice and land, Go Marines !

        • DaSaint

          One doesn’t roll dice on land they don’t intend to hold. We would then be violating the same international laws. Plus the area is in dispute from multiple countries, so you can’t be the arbiter of ownership.

          Bottom line…its not happening.

          • Centaurus

            [email protected], I say land and land TODAY ! The wee-wee’s just told one of our surveillance plane to buzz-off over international airspace so lets bomb them back to the stone age.
            The nerve of them.

    • vetww2

      HEAR, HEAR!!!!

    • PolicyWonk

      Actually, Obama was accused of giving a rat’s behind about the Asia-pacific region, and it was the GOP that scoffed at the idea: you might recall, the “Pivot to the Pacific” program that Trump is continuing (well, the Navy is, because Trump, according to his own published schedule, is far too lazy to be bothered with such matters).

      Mr Trump, is lamentably not one for doing his homework, and it shows. He failed to do any preparation whatsoever for his meetings with either Kim Jong Un (who came out FAR ahead in the so-called “summit”: go and watch that press conference afterwards, and try convincing anyone that Trump had a clue about what he was talking about). Its doubtful he even understood the purpose of the trip to Singapore – let alone referring to that display of ineptness as “engaged” (unless he was “engaged” with an opium pipe).

      Does your definition of “engagement” also include the Helsinki matter with Vladimir Putin (he didn’t even color in the pictures of the 100-page dossier his aides created for him before meeting with Putin)? The press conference following that meeting was a doozy that set off alarm bells around the planet.

      Calling Trump “engaged” is a joke.

      Obama was far from a perfect POTUS and you may not agree with his policies or politics. However, by all accounts he worked hard, did his homework, and left behind a nation in VASTLY better shape than it was in when he got it.

      Trump does neither, and its blatantly obvious to our potential adversaries, our allies, and whatever friends we still have.

      • muzzleloader

        Obama left behind a nation in VASTLY better shape?
        Trump is lazy, Trump and an opium pipe, Trump didn’t color in the pages of his dossier..
        It is evident that you adored Obama and despise Trump, which is your privilege, but I’ll view your future posts through that lens.

        • PolicyWonk

          Indeed he did – by ANY reasonable measure. If a GOP president had presided over the kind of recovery Obama did they’d be screaming it from the rooftops.

          Here’s a simple exercise you can take on, that’ll help illustrate the situation:

          Compare the state of the union inherited by George W Bush, and compare that to the state of the union inherited by Barack Obama. Then compare that, to the state of the union inherited by Donald Trump (the economy of which we’re still enjoying). And when you consider the GOP and Trump administration are now in the process of repeating the same mistakes the HoR’s made during the GWB years (as outlined int he CBO report entitled “The Causes Of The Great Recession”), the chances of the USA having to endure yet another economic disaster are already increasing.

          The GOP has completely abandoned its economic principals – leaving the DEMOCRATS as the nations fiscally conservative party.

  • Kypros

    Hmmm… my response has been moderated.

    • Ctrot

      I see it.

      • Kypros

        I see the first one, not the second one.

  • son5G

    I wonder if we would have managed to keep a better naval profile in the Philippine Islands (like post volcanic activity), would China have felt so comfortable as to build in the Spratley Islands.

    Conversely, Guam and Diego Garcia are not that great to visit. Why not build an R&R (for materiel and people) center of excellence on one of those sandy beaches in the Spratley’s (of course leased with currency to the Philippine government)? Some nice big slips for either cruise ships, hospital ships or carriers would to make things easy. Couple of RADARs to keep the skies safe , maybe a few other antennae to make sure the spectrum is safe and maybe some hangars to keep the aircraft clean.

  • Matthew Schilling

    The merits of withdrawing from TPP can be discussed without arrogantly calling it stupid. The US is in way too many treaties, military and economic. Maybe you think George Washington was stupid. And, we usually get the short end of the stick in these treaties – especially these multilateral agreements. Trump has said he wants more one-to-one treaties. I don’t see anything stupid about that!
    As for your ridiculous last paragraph, please see your doctor. There’s probably a pill for your Trump Derangement Syndrome. Do it for the loved ones in your life!

  • Matthew Schilling

    Let’s all pretend like John Bolton isn’t at the far end of the bellicose scale when it comes to foreign policy! That’ll be fun!
    Let’s also pretend like NK didn’t just return the remains of 55 servicemen from the Korean War. More fun!
    Let’s also pretend like Trump’s call for tariffs on Communist China falls in the category of, quite literally, begging China! Okay, that’s just too much fun!
    BTW, while I’ve got you, what color is the sky in your world? How many moons do you see in the sky? Asking for a friend!

  • vetww2

    (Excuse he caps.) I DON’T KNOW WHERE SOME OF THE RESPONDANTS HEADS ARE, BUYT HAD THE PREVIOUS ADMINIDTRATION WORKED WITH THE PHILLIPINES AND VIETNAMESE CLAIMANTS, WE COULD HAVE SET UP TEMPORARY BASES IN ACCORDANCE WITH UNCLOS REGS, PREVENTING DEVELOPMENT. NOW IT IS PROBABLY TOO LATE

  • vetww2

    So C.C. You nut belive that China accidentally or unknowingly, ignored UNCLOS for 8 years, while the preious administration,”Led from behind.”

  • Curtis Conway

    FONOPS around his nose would probably go a little differently than they do around the islands.

    • Marcd30319

      Please note that my recent reply to your previous post was put under moderation courtesy of little Hugo! Typical move.

      • Curtis Conway

        I wonder why he didn’t moderate mine. I was aggressive. You were more . . . passive aggressive.

        • Marcd30319

          I nailed him on his propaganda.

  • Ed L

    The Chinese communist are all about them being in the center of the World, Middle Kingdom, above all non Chinese. The USA should recognize the ROC and back to support a collation of Pacific Rim nations in a mutual defense pact And the Japanese build frigates for Vietnam

    • .Hugo.

      you have a very old concept of ancient china about this middle kingdom thing.
      .
      factually speaking, when has the u.s. not recognized the roc? it only replaces ‘roc’ with ‘taiwan’ on all related policies.

  • Marcd30319

    Ditto little Hugo.

  • muzzleloader

    Looney anti-trumpers. lol, that says it all!

  • Duane

    Agreeing with the vast majority of Americans does not make one looney. It makes one common sense based and well grounded.

    Trump isn’t even “political” … he is megamaniacal.

    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot

      if Trump is a megamanical whatever, what does that make you?

      • Centaurus

        It makes him RIGHT

        • muzzleloader

          Says who?

          • Centaurus

            everybody

          • muzzleloader

            Everybody? You really didn’t think that one through, did you?

  • Murray

    Mueller doesn’t tweet – he just keeps arresting traitors like Rick Gates and Paul Manafort.

  • Matthew Schilling

    Wow, just wow. You don’t even realize that NOTHING you listed in this TDS rant, that starts with “Reality is” is actually tethered to reality.
    That’s what they call ironic.

    • Duane

      Wow just wow … you’ll be crying come the first Wednesday in November. And likely charging that somehow the Russians switched sides and helped the Dems .. indeed Trump has already stated that.

      • muzzleloader

        You are the one who is obsessed with the Russians, pal. It is evident to anyone who reads your posts that Trump hatred occupies your grey matter 24/7. Sad!

      • Matthew Schilling

        The election is on the second Tuesday, genius. That’s why I said stay special through to the second Wednesday.
        You’re obviously impaired in some way. Is it congenital or medicinal? Should we blame your parents or your pusher?

  • Matthew Schilling

    If there was anything remotely compromising to Trump’s position in his last couple decades of tax returns, it would’ve been leaked out long ago – certainly during Obama’s regime. The silence there is deafening and conclusive.

    • Duane

      It is illegal to leak anyone’s tax returns.

      If Trump had nothing to hide, then why is he the first President since Nixon to hide his tax returns? Not to mention being the first POTUS in history to be sued for violating the foreign emoluments clause of the Constitution.

      It does not take a genius to figure out that if POTUS has nothing to hide, he or she does not hide.

      • Matthew Schilling

        You must’ve set a goal of reaching a special kind of stupid, because you achieved it!
        So, you think illegality stops leaks in Washington? Wow! Let’s all pretend like the Pentagon Papers were legally leaked! That’ll be fun!
        Speaking of legal, there is NO requirement whatsoever for a candidate to release his returns. None. Whatsoever. And, he provided all the reams of info he had to. So, there’s that.
        Hey, you’ve got nothing to hide, right? So post your tax returns online and give us the URL to them!

  • muzzleloader

    His party is headed for a thumping in November? How do you know that? No foreign leader trusts him? How do you that, pray tell? The justice department is going to lay bare his crimes?
    As I said before, Meuller and his 18 lawyers, every which one Hillary supporters, have spent $18 million and going on 2 years, and they have NOTHING.
    Meanwhile Trump approval among blacks is around 29% because the employment level among blacks is historically high, something Obama never did.
    Of the 9 candidates Trump endorsed, 8 of them won their elections.
    The economy and consumer confidence is at an all time high, and because of all that, you and your fellow trump haters fantasize about Trump being bounced from office?
    Like I said, I’m sure Rosie O’Donnell or CNN would enjoy your energy.

    • Duane

      All the generic polls say GOP is headed to defeat in the House (generic Dem lead of at least 8 points) and the professional non-partisan analysts like Charlie Cook predict a wave election for the Dems. In the special election in OH 12th district, an overwhelming deep red district that voted Trump by 11 points, the final tally is within 1 point and is still not settled or conceded. That is after the GOP went all out for the GOP candidate, spending more than $10M which is a huge campaign spend for a mere House seat … and also including a Trump rally last weekend. Cook rates at least 70 GOP held seats that are less red than OH-12.

      Go ahead, look it up.

      Yes, the GOP is headed for a thumping in November.

      • muzzleloader

        Yeah, and all the “polls” said that Trump was heading for a bruising on election night 2016.
        How did that turn out??

  • son5G

    I am not clear on what you are saying? When you say economies depend on China, are you suggesting that the sovereign countries forfeit their independence because of trade balance? When you say threats to their interests, what about these countries multiple protests in various diplomatic and globally agreed forums for such protests?

    • .Hugo.

      india, japan, and australia has no territorial interest in the scs, maybe that is not clear to you, or you just don’t know?
      .
      so what is the need for them to risk their economies or even individual lives to go against china? just because china is now determined to protect its islands from further aggression?
      and when they protested, china has always explained its position.

      • son5G

        since we’re not communicating, now is a good time for a public service announcement. When communicating with trolls, remember that there is no reasoning with insanity. Freedom is choice. We thank .Hugo. for the Great Firewall of China.

        • .Hugo.

          if your so-called “freedom” has led you to become one of the least developed and poorest asean states with political murders and drive by shooting all the time, then thanks and no, thanks, hehe….
          .

          • son5G

            Oh haha yes, you have to say that, I get it yet you are correct. Crime is so out of control. Was looking out of my window and across the golf course that backs up around my house, yesterday, noticed that all the golf carts were at the edge of the pond like cows taking a drink. I don’t think the local police have figured that one out yet. At church the subject came up and everyone just sort of laughed about it, so it seems like this will be just another unsolved crime here.

            On the other hand I heard that the Communist Party was considering lifting the restrictions on family size for your comrades and I was wondering, do you think they will tie that into the social scoring system in the future? So for example, if you do something strange like being born in the Western provinces, you know like a Uighur, you just may not have enough points to have any kids?

          • .Hugo.

            your news are rather old. it has been lifted but only the young couples are unwilling to have more children nowadays.

  • son5G

    Nobody wants to stop shopping in China, that’s non statement. What your neighbors are concerned about is your overt desire to stop them. There’s no need to frame anyone as actions are on display for the world.

    • .Hugo.

      and to stop them for what? for further invading the chinese scs territory? so which sovereign state will not protect its own national integrity? do remind you that none of them has protested when modern china announced its maritime border in 1947 until oil and gas were found 20 years later.

      • son5G

        Hahaha. Continue trying to sell your arbitrary claim for strange recent zone claim, with no basis in international law and harmony, with your neighbors to others, not buying, no thank you.

        Now why would you claim that nobody has protested? Is it a lie or simply ignorance? Anyway, good luck to you and may you find the sympathy and approval you desperately seek.

        • .Hugo.

          then show me which country has protested from 1947 to the year the chinese scs territory was first invaded please. 🙂

          also which international law has banned ownership by historical title? how was harmony not being upset when the philippines started to invade the chinese scs territory first, then followed by other rogue states before china (both the roc and prc) could stop them?

  • Curtis Conway

    The use of the term ‘hegemony’ by any Chinese commenter w/r/t this subject is Rich. Reaks of Hypocrisy!

    • .Hugo.

      all countries suppressed by the US will agree with the term hegemony though, and that represents a significant portion of the world’s population.

    • Centaurus

      Hegemony, hegemony, hegemony !

  • Curtis Conway

    The definition of the ‘Free World’ compared to ‘your world’ interpretation of how things should be is: “….has any country allowed any vessel to make port calls without first applying in a non-emergency situation?”

    Can’t explain it to someone who simply cannot think in such terms.

    Freedom is not in your lexicon. Control . . . Control . . . we must Have CONTROL!!!!

    • .Hugo.

      you won’t able to explain because that will be called an intrusion or even an invasion. 🙂
      .
      freedom of navigation is not defined in unclos, only innocent passage is. why not stick with unclos? because the u.s. has refused to sign on it and being restricted by it?

  • muzzleloader

    I just unflagged you, lol

  • Marcd30319

    Like I said, the message boards here really should be limited to USNI membership. But that is just me.

  • Ed L

    Actually I saw a u tube were a couple of PHD’s who’s expertise is the Chinese communist

  • Kypros

    I see.

    • NavySubNuke

      Duane is pretty entertaining once you realize he is an ignorant old man with no idea what he is talking about. The fact he tries to get any post he doesn’t agree with deleted is annoying but not the end of the world.

  • Kypros

    So now Duane is having my posts about me saying my posts are being deleted, deleted. What a pathetic piece of work. Your demented political comments make sense to me now.

  • Truth is honest

    this facts irrelevant and nonsense. Please check back historic. Don’t created war in this region,actually peacefulness time.

  • Ed L

    I though the China sea was filled with thousands of sea mines left over from WW2. Or is it just wishful thinking