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10 SEALs Set to be Separated from the Service for failing Drug Tests; Investigation Underway

Ten enlisted Navy SEALs and a sailor who supported Navy special warfare are in the process of being administratively discharged from the service for testing positive for cocaine or methamphetamines, USNI News has learned.

The sailors, assigned to East Coast Naval Special Warfare units, failed a series of regular drug screenings over March and April, a spokesperson told USNI News on Thursday.

“During a number of command drug tests from March to April 2018, 11 service members from East Coast-based Naval Special Warfare units tested positive for controlled substances,” Cmdr. Tamara Lawrence said in a statement.
“We have a zero-tolerance policy for the use of illicit drugs and as such these individuals will be held accountable for their actions. We are confident in our drug testing procedures and will continue to impress on all members of the command that illicit drugs are incompatible with the SEAL ethos and Naval service.”

It’s unclear if the incidents are related.

The failure of the drug tests has sparked a Naval Special Warfare Command investigation into the circumstances around the failures.

Since he took command of Naval Special Warfare Command in 2016, commander Rear Adm. Tim Szymanski has been vocal inside the community that bad behavior would not be tolerated in the SEAL community.

In late 2016, East Coast SEALs took an operational pause to address the drug problem in special warfare after several investigations found a spike in usage

“I feel like I’m watching our foundation, our culture erode in front of our eyes,” commander of Naval Special Warfare Group 2 Capt. Jamie Sands said in a closed-door meeting as part of the standdown, according to video obtained by CBS.

He vowed to step up testing for his units at the time.

“We’re going to test on the road,” Sands said in the video.
“We’re going to test on deployment. If you do drugs, if you decide to be that selfish individual, which I don’t think anyone’s going to do after today, I believe that, then you will be caught.”

  • Wendy Chatham

    The military needs to ditch its “Zero tolerance policy.” Zero tolerance means zero critical thinking skills. Perhaps looking into the command climate for reasons why so many members are turning to stimulants to cope is a good start.

    • YELLOW VEST in USA

      They aren’t flipping Hamburgers! They are using Automatic Weapons and Need to be in Full control of their Bodies at all times……….This isn’t high school either, the zero-tolerance policy is a must for these types of Jobs……….Peoples lives are at Risk,They have to depend on each other in the Military and they need to be in Control……….

      • TehLeGiOn

        Really? Because the Air Force and Navy pass out Dextroamphetamine (adderall – amphetamine) to their pilots like crazy.. cutely called “go pills”.

        • bddd

          This “Huckleberry” dude most likely NEVER served…

        • TexanForever

          Air Force and Navy aren’t required to do what seals do.
          .

          • Electric Dynamic Boogaloo

            Lol, they are NAVY SEALs… ever heard of Para-rescue or Combat Controlers? USAF special operations forces?

          • TehLeGiOn

            Umm.. seals are Navy there bud.. and it is more of the other way around. Seals aren’t required to fly around multi-billion dollar jets with enough armaments to take out a small countries while acting in multiple sorties that span days on end.. In the military it seems.. the more expensive and dangerous the equipment you control the more amphetamines you get to chew on.

    • Jon

      Very few days go by you’re not doing something inherently dangerous requiring unimpaired judgement. So yes, “Zero Tolerance” is a good thing. Want to kill yourself, don’t take others with you.

      SEALs have had a low order drug problem in their ranks for years, and part of the problem has been that command ignored it because they didn’t want to boot people…it’s nice they’ve got a “Command Climate” now that’s finally doing something about it, and cleaning them up. All the righteous people on the Teams, deserve it.

      • vik

        How do we know the facts…

        • Jon

          Facts are, these yokes peed hot, and none of many opportunities to challenge the results ended in their favor. End of story. What, you think they’re booting 10 valuable guys, they’ve invested millions of dollars and years of time into, lightly? SEALs have a drug problem, it’s festered for years, they’re finally cleaning it up. These are the guys that didn’t get the message, didn’t listen, so they’re gone.

    • NoPurpleFlavorAid

      I kind of like zero tolerance policies when they have all kinds of latitude when it comes to everything else. This is the military, not some kum-ba-ya office job. You live this life 24/7. You know what the expectations and rules are. If a pilot for an airplane is told, “you will be fired if you have x amount of alcohol or drugs in your system within x hours of flying” and that pilot pees dirty and is given a second chance, you’re crazy. These guys know top secret information and have to make life/death decisions on behalf of the country.

    • Technom3

      This is one of the most elite fighting forces in the world. This is not for the commoner. This is NOT for those looking to experiment with drugs. This is an elite combat unit where they participate in the most dangerous, important and sensitive missions in the world .The SEALs are on teams. And you can’t have one man bring the team down .you can’t have one guy off of his game. You can’t have the entire team worrying about one guy being coked up or strung out. Their lives are at stake and so is our entire nation.

      This is not little league where everyone gets a trophy.

      These men have top.secret clearance and have access to classified information and equipment .We can not afford to have an addict trading secrets or be compromised over drug use.

      It is 100% intolerable.

  • Yougetalife

    Sorry to hear that. Thank you for your service.

  • Yougetalife

    Obviously, we lost the war on drugs.

  • bddd

    I understand that this can’t be allowed (I served in the US Army). BUT why isn’t the stress of their (yes, they volunteered) professions considered? People can only take so much before they become “filled up with misery” and slip… We simply aren’t a Nation of second chances and forgiveness…. If they fail rehab then look to discharge. But have some understanding and patience. Please.

    • Jon

      Got a problem, go see the Chaplain. Drugs, ain’t the answer. And note, it ain’t the guys on the pointy end, with the problem.

      • bddd

        I don’t and have never done drugs. You EVER risk your life and watch others lose theirs? Well? I didn’t say drugs are the answer. I didn’t agree with them using drugs. I simply believe in TRYING to give people some assistance. If they fail? Then yes they need to leave. We have put A LOT of time and money into these warriors. We have asked them to do things that aren’t spoken of. You are really against trying to help them? (BTW “stimulants” are issued. Did we hook them on the use? I don’t know….)

        • Jon

          Yes, I’ve risked my life. Repeatedly. Got the medical retirement and combat disability to show for it. No, I didn’t do drugs. You got issues, there’s plenty of help, and you’ve got plenty of support. That’s part of being on a “team”. Very few (if any) of the people doing drugs are shooters with large amounts of downrange time. This is “clean up” after over a decade or more of the SEALs ignoring the drug issue, and punishing those who waved their arms about it.

          You think the SEALs are booting these guys lightly, after the investment into them? By the time they’ve gotten popped on a p-test, they’ve been begged and pleaded to come forward for help. Asked nicely, with cream and sugar on top. Didn’t work, they didn’t listen. So now their command is busting heads, and making examples. This is “Don’t be this guy” time. Finally.

          Bottomline, they’re doing drugs, they need to go. You can’t trust them, don’t want to be around them. Want to be in SpecOps? Don’t do drugs. There’s no place for you. Period.

          • Lee Neely

            Question. Can these Seals be court martialed for breach of contract for not completing their obligation and being discharged prematurely?

          • Jon

            Not sure, don’t recall the finer points of the UCMJ. Possibly. But CMs are a PITA for everyone concerned. Having them around while a CM is working would dilute the impact of the message command is sending; “do drugs and you’re gone”. The Chain of Command isn’t playing around with these guys, they want them out of their gene pool.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      isn’t that what Budweiser and Jack is for? 🙂

      • Electric Dynamic Boogaloo

        They are SEALs, so Budweiser is definitely apropos.

    • TexanForever

      If they can “become ‘filled up with misery’ and slip” then they shouldn’t remain Seals. Understanding and patience can be shown after separation from a job where this can’t be tolerated. No exceptions. Seals must operate as a team where each depends on the others.
      .

    • monster

      If this proves to be legit and the guys actually did this it would be very difficult to blame the job as the reason and then want to continue with said job.

      • bddd

        They can still be valuable in the service if they rehab. Instructors, staff positions etc… But we need to get over our Nations lack of forgiveness and second chances for people that actually deserve a second chance. We kowtow to thugs and criminals. Let’s help those that have served. (Again, no excuse for illegal drug use but it shouldn’t a “forever punishment” and ruin their lives etc… Fail rehab? Good bye then…)

  • Honestly, I kinda want some coked up seals out there. Full on beast mode!

    • Yougetalife

      isis took meth pills. Very popular in the ME. They don’t take pee tests.

      • I mean come on, you think Rambo was sober?!?!

        • Yougetalife

          Looked hyped up on something to me.

          • Jon

            Steroid rage for the win!

      • Asclepius

        You beat me to it, but my thoughts exactly. I’m also troubled by the article not discriminating between cocaine and amphetamine, which makes a huge difference in understanding intent. Navy seals and Spec Ops in general are like highly trained athletes who are also highly competitive. They care a great deal about maintaining optimal physical and mental health and 70% use performance enhancing dietary supplements like creatine, etc.

        It is also well known that enemy in the Middle East is using Fenethylline, also known by its brand name Captagon, which is a pro drug of amphetamine, a performance enhancing stimulant. Thus, it seems logical and reasonable for our guys to engage in the use of amphetamine if accessible to gain a performance edge in a high risk combat operation. Methamphetamine would be problematic if used often because its longer duration of action disrupts sleep wake cycle which would eventually lead to performance degradation due to sleep degradation.

        Cocaine use on the other hand would be unjustifiable under any condition as it is a poor performance enhancer and carries far more risk than amphetamine.

        • J Nice

          OJ was the first to rush for 2000 yards in a 14 game season and he did a ton of blow… just saying

          • SWDC

            Entire German military was doped during WWII including their leaders and Germany nearly won.

          • robbie555

            They purposely killed a lot of innocent people because of they had no humanity in them.

          • SWDC

            George Soros and family;y live and bred today

          • Asclepius

            For a raw adrenaline rush needed in a surge, yeah blow might help, but its pharmacological effects are just too short lived and it depletes dopamine store’s too rapidly, the restoration of which takes days. It’s just not a practable performance enhancer for prolonged and unpredictable combat conditions. There is a reason why amphetamine is sometimes used by the military, like pilots doing extended recon missions, but not cocaine.

    • Denise

      They would flame out fairly soon so not a good plan.

  • fran

    As a physician that performs urine drug screens, one that performs these tests, if they are competent, know that there are over 200 over the counter product that give false positive results. Tesalon Perles give a positive Cocaine and marijuana result. All histamine products give a false positive amphetamine urine drug test. There are over 200 over the counter products that give false positives.

    These urine drug screens are just that screens. If a positive occurs, then the next step is to do a spectrometer test, which is expensive, but it has 99% sensitivity.

    You are talking about someone career here, and it should not be taken lightly. And if the person performing the tests does not let the authorities know of the false positives, that is a criminal act.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      great. I’m sure the Admiral said he was going to increase drug testing because it was just a whim of his.

      Keep excusing bad behaviour.

    • John Smith

      Liar

    • TexanForever

      Good post, Fran.
      .

    • monster

      This really smells of fake news. 10? No way. To imagine 10 different guys risking their careers is unfathomable. If this is real there’s a lot more to the story than any test can answer.

      • darrell_b8

        I agree; I had screen oversight for a unit of 500+, and over my 5 year tenure, I bet only 2 or 3 came back ‘hot’; most had prescriptions or ‘false positives’ from some over the counter stuff; retested in a month and all was aokay….

        • canaddar

          Lets see….pop hot on a test, claim it was from cold medicine and get told that they get retested in a month…..there was a reason that you never found any true ‘hots’.

        • SWDC

          Meantime the VA still is failing our US Veterans

          • Frantic_human

            I asked for any pain meds in addition to the ibuprofen they gave me for my needs-replaced hip. I asked in April. April 2017, that is. I’m still waiting.

            Thank God for KRATOM!

          • So Kratom really works huh ?,I beenback & forth on whether to try it for back pain,I justwanna stay as natural as I can..

          • Ted Gobbel

            Please do your research on the side affects when you decide to stop taking Kratom. I have friends that have taken it for pain and are now having trouble coming off of it due the similar effects of coming off of pain meds. It can become addictive if not carefully monitored.

          • brian

            yes it works, my wife has degenerative disc disease and she has tried to minimize the use of pain killers, the kratom helps fill the gaps so she doesnt have to follow the pill every 6 hours regime.

          • News Reporter

            Kratom is being sold by a lot of scammers online. It can easily be contaminated with salmonella. There was a massive outbreak not long ago. That’s how it became so widely known this year. You’ll have to read the possible side effects. Everyone is different. Most people still think chemicals act the same on every human. Some people become ill or die from the simplest things.

          • Frantic_human

            It does work. it is non-physically addictive. It has opiate properties but from what I’ve read in several locations is that kratom does not change cell structure to make you crave’ it like heroin and other yuk.

            You can mix it in a drink (tart works better) or if you are a real man/woman, drink it in water; or you can buy empty capsules and fill them.

            The only side effect I had is common and only happened the first time: mild constipation. That can be solved just by drinking more water after dosing.

            The ‘red’ varieties are usually listed as better for pain. There are many ‘strains’, which may be just the area they are grown in. ‘Energization’ strength is listed in most descriptions, as is ‘mood enhancement’, otherwise known as euphoria. I go for the high pain reductiom and lower energy and mood enhancement.

            I don’t know where you live, but you shouldn’t have too much trouble finding it. There is a pair of young entrepreneurs here in town who sell it at their vape shop, they seem to have very good pricing compared to most on the ‘net. dripdropjuice dot com

            Hope this helps! Pain sux.

          • IWHITExDEATHI

            I take Kratom 3 times a day for pain. Usually red Thai, red borneo, or some other red strain. It’s been 4 years since I started. When i run out, I’m sleepy and in normal pain for a day or two then I’m normal. The only side effects I’ve ever had from it was hot flashes and slight nausea, with a touch of constipation here and there. NOTHING else. As a matter of fact my morning shake ( I mix with chocolate milk ) is kicking in right now. It makes me happy and sociable. Awake, alert, and in the mood to do stuff. Just buy it from a reputable business, and only powdered leaf. Do not buy shiney packets of pills from a headshop.

          • Frantic_human

            Agree with all points. Red bali + white Maeng is my flavor for today. Might try it in the brown moo, what’s your moo/powder ratio?

            I bought the highly overpriced ‘shiney packet’ the first time as I had never tried it and didn’t want to waste money if it didn’t work. I bought a pound of that bali last week. I mix it with a bit of white for more N-R-G.

            What is the strongest and best for pain, in your opinion?

            Those young ‘us with the store near me have comparatively good pricing, give them a look if you have time. dripdropjuice dot com Not a head shop, they do vape and kratom. Their site has an age ‘verification’ to cover their hineys.

            Good post, friend.

          • Dr Deuteron

            Any opiate, opioid, or something with opioid like properties is “monkey food”, and can be physically addictive . So what. So is coffee. It’s psychological addiction that is dangerous–then monkey gets what monkey wants, no matter what. Just know the difference. Note that when the Constitution was 1st written: there was no Prohibition *and* no Harrison Act.

          • Pat Patterson

            That crap kills people.

          • Stan

            No it doesn’t.

          • Kimbell

            No…….But it can damn sure burn a big Hole in your Stomach

          • Frantic_human

            That’s a steaming pile of male bovine exhaust. Nine people have died with kratom in their systems over the last decade, and most of those had other drugs in them as well.

            Stop lying.

          • EpicMale

            I’ve dealt with pain for 50 years. I tried opiates and opioids. All they do is make you MORE sensitive to pain! When my pain approaches the point where it interferes with my life, I get into a hot tub of water (as hot as I can stand it) for 15 minutes. Then I take a couple of buffered aspirin (always with a snack). I lost nearly a year to that crap that turns life into a fog. I’d rather hurt and be alert, and be a part of life instead of zoned out.

          • roner

            Maybe they make YOU more sensitive to pain, but not me, and not most if not all other people! Don’t generalize. Your experience is NOT everyone’s!!

          • Frantic_human

            Tough to do at work. I also don’t agree with your premise. What happens is, such as in my case, the drug allows me to do my job (much waling and trotting) which wears down the joint more, which causes more pain. Not the drug itself.

          • SSgt. J D. Herrington

            Great analogy, 16 years in the grunts has resulted in 8 knee surgeries, 10 feet surgeries, 8 spinal surgeries and a shoulder replacement. War is a young mans sport. Had to cold turkey Norco and now doing what we all do best, suck it up. Semper Fi and hang in there NSW.

          • Skeptical

            8, 10, 8, 1… 27 surgeries in 16 years? When have you been off light duty long enough to injure yourself?

          • Jon

            You’re not supposed to ask that question.

          • Scuttlebutt

            Sorry—I do NOT buy your tale:( I am former NAVSPECWAR & with 32 years of service—-you would have been discharged. The US Military wouldn’t keep a person with this many problems.

          • TomD

            I read that post as saying the surgeries were post-service.

          • Shannon L. Mcrandle

            Amen.

          • Bill Mcintosh

            EpicMale thanks for your post. Try a sulfur supplement called Sulfur Defense Plus. It has a lemon taste and you mix a capfull in water as ND drink a glass everyday. It may also help. I wish I could be the secret St Nick billionaire that seeks veterans out like you to help. Please pray for my 17 year old son in Parris ISLAND and anyone else in Boot Camp serving his/her country. God bless you guys.

          • thebeerczar

            Semper Fi! MCRD San Diego 1983 1st Bn. Charlie Co. Plt. 1077. OORAH!! OORAH!! OORAH!!

          • EpicMale

            I certainly will! As an old USN Corpsman, I’ve got a special place in my heart for my Marines.

          • roner

            Why are you waiting? Why don’t you go to a private doctor and get the treatment you say you’re not getting? Why do you insist on settling for the government-run “free” stuff?!?!

          • Frantic_human

            Free stuff?!?! I gave four years of my life. You are an a$$hole.

          • Agent Orange isn’t free, of me.
            rvn70 /71

          • pismopal

            You are one of those pu ssies who never served..got a heads up in his career path by not doing so and then thinks that veteran services are “free stuff”.

          • Nancy Mosley

            The VA services are a right to disabled military personnel. It’s part of our benefits upon discharge from active duty. Sounds like you do not understand the military, our benefits, or the fact that we have given our whole lives and so did our spouses and kids for this country. Get with it dumb-ass, and get off your high uneducated horse.

          • lonestarlizard

            Your point is well taken Nancy but VA service is not a right, it is, as you say later, a benefit much as TFL is for me. Let’s not confuse the issue for the military knowledge challenged weasels that post here.

          • Clyde Nicholas

            I was drafted into the us army in 1968 and was told that i’d be eligible for free VA care the rest of my life. That was a lie because when I tried to access care in 2001, I was told i’d have to pay on a sliding scale which would have cost me more than what I paid for my private health insurance and from what I saw of the VA employees, I encountered, no thank you.

          • Bill Mcintosh

            What a swindle!

          • Jon

            IIRC, in 2002(?) the Supreme Court ruled (on the subject of health care claims) that the government couldn’t be held accountable for fraudulent claims or representations made on its behalf by recruiters, officers, and other official government representatives. In other words, the government isn’t accountable for jack.

          • jetcal1

            It’s something called a “EARNED” benefit which you are obviously confusing with an entitlement.

          • Jon

            VA sees something like 9 million patients a year. There’s only around
            4.5 million vets with service connected disabilities. Even fewer rated over 50% triggering free, full service health care. Retirees have TRICARE (and often service connected disabilities). That leaves at least 4.5 million vets every year getting essentially free, full service medical care courtesy of the VA they were never promised, nor did they earn. While they complain, loudly, about it.

            The major problem with the VA, is that it really has became an “entitlement” for every person who ever wore a uniform, however briefly. This free care, was supposed to be on an “as available” basis, has morphed into “must be seen NOW because vets are dying”…requiring the VA to run at 100% over-capacity…

          • jetcal1

            I agree that it has morphed into more than it should be. However, I still disagree with his characterization.

          • Shannon L. Mcrandle

            Bc it costs a freaking fortune to go outside of your insurance.

          • Stephanie Dunn

            I’ve been using kratom for years.. It’s amazing how well it works for moderate to severe pain. Too bad the FDA is trying to ban it. I got politically motivated and called my representatives.
            Just tried CBD Oil.. It seems to work well. I’m still worried about testing hot for THC.
            Join the American Kratom Association. Keep Kratom legal..!

          • Frantic_human

            I don’t think you need to worry about CBD. If it had THC in it it wouldn’t be allowed to be sole, unless you are in a ‘legal’ State.

            I never know about kratom until I read an article about Fedzilla wanting to ban it. I will check out the AKA, Thanks!

          • Mu’ammar Abdur-Rashid

            Although it doesn’t have THC, there’s still a chance you can test positive using CBD’s. This came directly from the FDA. Read up and be cautious.

          • Stephanie Dunn

            Your probably right about that. I just ordered some THC test strips online. I would rather find out at home that in the human resources department. I get my CBD at a Dr’s pain clinic in a not yet legal state. The nurse is still unsure about the safety of kratom, but was interested in my first hand experience with it. It’s getting a lot of bad press recently.
            Have a great day!

          • Frantic_human

            Good thinking with the test strips. The bad press about kratom is probably government sponsored.

          • Stephanie Dunn

            I’m sure big pharmaceutical is behind it. I know two people who got off of opioids by using kratom.

          • Frantic_human

            Good for them!!

          • Shannon L. Mcrandle

            It is. I do not use it, but know many many people who do, some by order of holistic caretakers. It works very well but may require a period of hit or miss with type and dosage. Big pharma does not want it around. It’s very good stuff.

          • Chris Leete

            What is that?

          • Frantic_human

            Americankratom dot org

          • Secundius

            One 300mg Gabapentin capsule would have easily stopped the pain, two would have knocked you out. And it’s None Addictive…

          • Freewheeling Frank

            Thanks Congress!!!

          • verneoz

            It ain’t Congress. Congress has been throwing tens of billions in funding increases, at the VA in recent years, and still the VA fails to improve its services. It’s time to look at the tens of thousands of Federal employees & doctors, and start purging the dirt bags from their ranks. This dead wood is why there is no accountability.

          • Allan Erickson

            A lot of “minority hires” in high graded positions who are incompetent or lazy or both as well as retired military there for their second retirement check. Impossible to get rid of these barnacles, every sailor knows that barnacles slow down a ship.

          • verneoz

            You have nailed it. When the bogus VA patient waiting lists scandal broke a few years back, a friend sent me an Excel spreadsheet of the VA’s Southwest region’s pay scale by position. I counted 6-8 positions paying between $320,000-$380,000 annually. The US President is paid only $400,000 annually.

          • Thomas Jefferson1776

            Yep i have been fighting the va for 10 years on my back still waiting.

          • Curtis Conway

            Imagine, we actually pay these ‘professionals’ that much to oversee a system that kills Veterans? I wonder what they actually do, or if they have EVER actually met the members of their staffs, or visited the spaces? Don’t forget that many of these folks receive bonuses too.

          • verneoz

            There is an even more ominous side to the “system.” The fact is it is almost impossible to fire ANY of these leeches.

          • Curtis Conway

            Leadership, Leadership, Leadership . . . THAT is what is needed here. NOT just someone who will occupy the space and spend the paycheck.

          • Terry Wilson

            Tens of billions… Where did you dig that up at…. LOL

          • verneoz

            Yet, there are never any of the VA’s Federal employees fired for not doing their jobs despite $$ billions in new funding. The bogus VA patient waiting lists of a few years ago is one stark example.

          • SWDC

            There are never any federal employees fired

            At the IRS Lois Lerner was enabled to hurt and harm the USA citizens and she remains free as a bird with a hefty pension paid for by USA tax payers she hurt and harmed.

          • roner

            The first is not true at all, but not nearly enough are fired – especially corrupt higher-ups.
            At any rate, you MAY remember the names mccabe and comey, not to mention yates…

          • tdrag

            Street justice.

          • Joe Collins

            She should be prosecuted privately.

          • Peter N

            I believe at least 3 executive were fired last year after Trump signed legislation making it easier to fire for incompetence.

          • Secundius

            Weren’t those three the same ones appointed by Donald Trump, to those jobs…

          • Peter N

            Not that I am aware of and a quick internet search didn’t produce any results that support that but it could be.

          • Secundius

            Let me see “IF” I can Refresh your memory!
            1. SecState Rex Tillerson,
            2. Sec.Health&Human Services Tom Price,
            3. Dir. Veteran Affairs David Shulkin,
            4. Chief of Staff Reince Priebus,
            5. WH Chief Strategist Steve Bannon…

          • Peter Allan Russell

            All correct. Hand picked “experts” by you know who?

          • Secundius

            I’m sure there were a number left out, but at the top of my head. Those were the only one’s I could remember…

          • verneoz

            Yes, that was enabled by a one time amendment to the VA’s appropriation bill last year. It was only window dressing, and did not address the thousands of corrupt, and mediocre miscreants throughout the VA system. Somebody had to maintain those fraudulent patient waiting lists so lucrative bonuses could be handed out. No other agencies or departments were addressed by this act although they are infected with this scourge also. There are 2 million Federal employees.

          • Mstrdiver

            Vern-
            That nonsense is still going on in one form or another. They are just getting better at it.

          • Barack Obama Sucks

            That’s the VA’s legacy. I remember, as a kid, my grandfathers’ complaining about the VA. That was 40 yrs ago.

        • Michael Orr

          They are SEAL’s so the Spooks will ask them to do things that are off the books.

          • Eddie Smith

            My feeling exactly and this may be the reason they came up hot. The seals go away and are forgotten.

      • Jessy Fields

        I hate to burst your bubble, but drug use (especially simulants) is very common on deployments

        • armedcitizen

          Stimulants are also given to Air Force pilots to keep them alert and sharp on multiple missions. These are administered by medical staff to our pilots in specific dosage depending on circumstances.

          • Irene Smith

            I am sure that cocaine or meth isn’t given to them.

          • Mark Tomlinson

            Irene Smith, amphetamines test the same as methamphetamines and are commonly used by many services within the armed forces.

          • The Deplorable Native Texan

            If the use was condoned / service related there would be an entry in the members medical record…

          • Mark Tomlinson

            If it is a covert operation or they are on loan to a Governmental Agency there is no entry made in any military records.

          • Stan

            You watch too many movies.

          • Mark Tomlinson

            Yes Stan I do watch a lot of movies, but as a member of a Governmental Operational Detatchment who served two tours in Cental America during the height of some very nasty civil wars, I do have some personal experience in this area.

          • BobSmith223

            “But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you.” 🙂

          • Scott Ferguson

            Prove it.

          • Eddie Smith

            Not necessarily. Various kinds of stimulants, even Ritalin, have been handed out in war zones to keep soldiers awake and alert and it never went into their medical records. .

          • Irene Smith

            That is true but each time you take a urinalysis, you are instructed to write down ANY meds that you have taken or currently on. Prescription meds better match your medical records .

          • Paul Bristol

            The “go pills” given to pilots are amphetamines, chemically no different than coke or meth.

          • vik

            They are different.

          • Gus

            Cocaine is different from Methamphetamine on drug screens. You can make a case that a stimulant prescribed by the military made them test positive for meth but not for cocaine.

          • John Eubanks

            It’s called Adderall guys..great stuff!

          • Dr Deuteron

            modafanil. Instant alertness. Drugs should be a huge part of combat IMO. You gotta a 48 hour mission: get up. You get shot: take morphine. I mean the job is to kill bad guys and come home alive. Anything that helps the mission works for me. These anti-drug types would rather have you slow and shot than high and home.
            Of course, when messing with the brain: it’s a dangerous game. So is combat.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            Comparable meds are …. bennies, etc

          • Michael James Allison

            Correct .

          • Michael Orr

            I do not know what stimulants you would need. Huffing in pure oxygen makes you more alert. Hell it will cure a hangover in a couple of breathes.

        • For a good reason. You CAN’T sleep while on meth, so it makes sense to use it for an edge in certain circumstances. Can it.kill you? Yes, but so can being sleepy in a fire fight.

          • portangeles1

            wrong. I’m one who can say without question that some people CAN sleep while on meth, and sleep quite well for that matter. Some can and do use meth for the express purpose of going to sleep. Freak of nature?..maybe…Freak between the sheets?…ooooh yeah!!!!

          • Campobosso

            The only people who can use meth to fall asleep are those who truly have an ADD/ADHD brain. Diagnosed or not, you have the brain chemistry of a person with ADD/ADHD. (That does not mean you have ADD/ADHD. Biology is only part of the equation in any complex human behavior.)

        • tomcat13

          I dont see a problem with that. I take Ritalin (prescribed) and it helps me greatly.

        • JD

          You are exactly right. Drugs such as provigil/modafinil were developed for that exact reason by the military

        • John Eubanks

          I seen ALOT of Adderall get passed around,I’m not saying what branch I served,but when your told,you gotta keep pushing almost 3 days without barely any rest,then sometimes,you do whatever keeps your ass and your fellow brothers alive..gotta know how to keep things in check and moderation though..stay the hell away from the painkillers though..the branch that put me on them,had me out in left field bug hunting for 3 months and that was no way to live..was hell getting off from them ,with only using them for 3 months..

        • Gary Summersell

          Really, as a former Marine it wasn’t very common. Unless you are talking over the counter stuff.

        • Scott Ferguson

          100% false.

        • Mu’ammar Abdur-Rashid

          Exactly!!!!

      • canaddar

        The seals are a big organization. 10 college age kids popping hot on a few tests is not that hard to believe. Very few who use drugs use them while thinking about the long term and their careers…….

        • David fournier

          I never did drugs and won all my fights drugs will taint your judgment

          • vik

            No, not necessarily. For a condition like ADHD, you are impulsive and have no judgment. The meds help your brain stop before it reacts. It is an overload of information but again meds let the executive function part of the brain filter out the good information vs the bad.. lets all stop judging and hopefully these guys will prove everyone wrong.

          • Ha! You said “taint.”

            …..I’ll show myself out.

      • Screwtape

        I have to partially agree Monster. See my post as Screwtape above.

        But aside from fake news, it may just be incomplete news.

        A proliferation of these cases tells me they knew there’d be no court martial if the drug itself isn’t directly uncovered in possession or on the premisses. No evidence, that is, other than a lab report.

        However, the drug test by itself would be enough to “fire” the individual by administrative discharge without further consequences.

        So then, my hunch is the sailors were gaming the system that way, perhaps to evade a lengthy service committment or duty in an undesirable location.
        I think this way only due to the numbers, what else?, which seem to me to suggest significant morale problems.

        • Asclepius

          Very interesting and makes sense, especially if they were being deployed in NO WIN theaters like Yemen. I would use meth to equalize the playing field. It would improve the odds of mission success with the only risk being that if caught, you get a flight home. Hell yeah! Sounds a lot better than waiting to be picked off by some Yemenian snipper and ending up dead and lying in a shallow grave out in the desert.

      • Eld

        I personally witnessed about 20-30% of my unitunit drugs on leave or off duty on a regular basis. Until you have been in that kind of op tempo or done the things NSW does, dont assume that you have any idea what theu go through.

        • monster

          I have a pretty good idea

      • CAPTKeith

        I concur. Must be fake news.

      • MAGA 2020

        Got news for you Trumpster, everything in the news isn’t fake.

        • HenryL

          Most of it is, though, dimmy-crap. Have a nice day.

        • Gary Summersell

          Got news for you Crookeder…a lot of it is fake.

          • Jack_Kennedy

            And the demfascist gotta cover for his ilk

        • Jack_Kennedy

          As YOU prove Grubers point ….. the zero is proud of ya

        • monster

          I’ve had my doubts about the news for some time now, long before Trump was even a candidate.

      • Freewheeling Frank

        Exactly! SEALS?? Drugs?? Doesn’t pass an easy smell test!

        • Gus

          Yes it does. The adulation and sense of entitlement afforded to SEALS and other special operators makes them arrogant and instils a belief that the rules don’t apply to them. Not to mention they can use their rigorous operational tempo as an excuse.

          • Jon

            Bingo. Just don’t swing that brush too wide. These guys are a distinct minority…that’s why they’re being rooted out.

          • Gus

            I respect those guys. But they’re not supermen and they are as flawed as anybody. I kind of resent them when they screw up like this. We pay them, buy them the best equipment and training, allow them to talk a lot of shit and this is how they repay us?

            SEALS and the whole Special Operations culture is getting a lot over-exposed, anyway

          • Jon

            You should resent them. They’re scumbags who are smearing the good name of all the squared away guys out there.

      • T-Rex

        You’ve obviously never been in a high security occupation in the military. It happens all the time. I couldn’t begin to quantify the number of people who lost their clearances, and careers over drug use during my 20 years of service

        • monster

          In 20 years I can count on one hand the number of people I knew busted for drugs. Actually it was more knew of because a few I didn’t really know just witnessed the Captain’s Mast. To me it’s the same as a millionaire walking into 7-11 and shoplifting, why?

          • T-Rex

            Maybe because as “Bubbleheads”, Nuclear weapons handlers, and nuclear occupational workers we were tested more often.

          • monster

            Corpsman were tested as often if not more for different reasons.

      • Pat Patterson

        This is spread over different units and not one so not unusual that 10 would pop up. Doubt there are that many false positive throughout the system. SEALS are not infallible. Most OTC’s clear out of your system quickly.

      • 1775

        Why didn’t the SEALs ask to be tried at courts martial, instead of going to Captain’s Mast? Because they are guilty! Try not to overthink things sea lawyer.

      • The White Wolfe

        Wake up
        military has been drug users since inception.

      • pismopal

        Don’t you believe it. People risk more than careers for drugs and this is a sad fact. Drug use is infectious…there are more than 10 involved. They don’t test all of them at once.

      • tastydactyl71

        not that unfathomable, I was at Ft Bliss with ADA in 01-05, we had an entire platoon go NMC (Non-mission Capable) thats about 25-30 people. Turns out the platoon sergeat was selling to his platoon, they all came up hot on urinalysis test

      • GL

        Theres a big drug culture in Special Ops, especially in SEALS. Its not even that hidden. “OAF Nation” “GWOT Trap Lordz” “Came for the violence stayed for the drugs”. common sayings in “the community”.

        • bgf

          Seals suck donkey ballz

      • Jeff Briggs

        I’ve been in a SEAL team… there is lots of drug use. The culture created is one that suggests SEAL’s are above rules. They do not have to follow grooming standards, leave policies, etc. With all the plublicity, movies etc. they become rock stars. They are 19-23 year old kids who are told they are special. They are rarely held accountable and do not have a shred of humility.

        • monster

          I’m not saying that individuals don’t make stupid decisions even if they’re SEALs. The thing that first bothered me about the story and maybe I read this into it was that it seemed a group of 10 guys decided to say WTF and do cocaine, together. If this story is talking about 10 separate cases of guys popping positive on piss tests at different times then maybe it’s a bit more feasible. I believe in a group of 10 guys there would be a few who would be more sensible and discourage risking careers over a line of cocaine even with 19-23 year old kids. The effort to get there, the money spent training, and the chance to do things most couldn’t even imagine doing to me is equal to winning the lottery so it’s just hard to swallow. Then again lottery winners go broke.

      • imongo

        Wish it was fake news.

      • TomD

        With such a large number testing positive, you have to wonder if some food or drink was spiked.

      • Citydweller

        Lots more to the story and these SEALs were not the first to be wrongfully separated (am assuming not all are guilty as in past)… they cover up and when you’re in the coffin, they ensure they nail it shut. However, I suspect, CAPT MILTON JAMIE Sands and RADM TIM Szymanski cannot keep up these coverups for too much longer…w/suicides and people fighting back now.

    • Philip Branton

      Awesome retort…….. +400 points….

    • Im Shae Mac®🦁

      if you know anything about the military, you know that most ‘on-call’ military members are not allowed to take ANYTHING not prescribed by a dr. so if these guys were taking something not prescribed – there is no evidence that the meds found in their system was OTC. there would be record of everything they are taking – including aleive/tylenol etc. i was married to someone who was on a flight crew for AWAKS/space command. if he had a headache, he had to get permission to take something.

      • J Nice

        Obviously you know nothing of the military, only PRP individuals cannot take OTC medication because they play with nukes or part of relaying a launch order. Another indicator is it’s AWACS not AWAKS.

      • TruthSayer

        What branch of the service are there doctors prescribing meth and blow? Asking for a friend… 🙂

    • Screwtape

      Long retired from USAF here. ..but back in the day, self-medication by use of over-the-counter medications was prohibited in USAF. Dunno if that’s still the case.

      I don’t recall that there was a particular concern focused on false positives caused by benign pills from the supermarket, but they were prohibited nonetheless. Could be the rules for us aviators had been ramped up a bit.

      I recall the drug testing that began in the ’70s and was declared infallible. More than once, that is, and each time following a lab misstep and a new procedure.
      Before long a glitch would be uncovered, and they’d have to go back to square one. There were 3 or 4 new tests developed in early 70s. Each was declared infallible. Go figure.

      Regarding the administrative discharges mentioned in this article. Surely the individuals would expect to get caught eventually, which begs the question if they had wanted out in the first place but were detained by a service committment. So. . . Age breeds cynicism, or at least weighing alternative explanations for stuff. That is, I’ll be 71 soon, so. . .

      • stephen king

        I was in the Nav back then and some incidents come to mind.

        First, one of the testing protocols was found to generate false positves. So if you test 10,000 sailors with a 1% false positive rate on your “infallible” test you have just canned 100 innocent people with no recourse at all.

        Second, some LT in the Puget Sound area poped on the “infallible” test. After being informed of this he got a GC/MS test that was much more accurate and sensitive. Negative test. He eventually wound up going to Federal Court and obtained a court order telling the Navy to get its s*** in one sock. Then there was the F14 pilot with the false positive for PCP….

    • J Nice

      Im not an expert but I do know that if your fail a screen then the test DOES go through GC/MS for confirmation. Gas chromatography/mass spectrometry machine?? They do do that. Now though there are so many marijuana products, accidental ingestion is not a crime and with so many products that possibility has increased dramatically. Hard to say the same for cocaine though.

    • Michael Harris

      I doubt your a physician with weak grammatical skills, punctuationand such. There are not test many products that will render a false positive. Possibly 80-100. But they can be narrowed down. And, the subjects can be asked bef5such a test if they have, say, in the last 36 hours taken any otc meds. There is a similar problem with police field test kits too. 65% inaccurate. That’s bad and the company that makes those kits, knows it but refuses to correct the issue.

      • Stephen

        The physician (if he is one) also fails to note that these results performed in the military community are re-tested. I once tested positive for cocaine (I wasn’t even taking any medications, and had no way to account for the result) but my sample showed clean when retested. I’ve never even smoked a cigarette. In my case, even with a false positive, the system worked. I don’t feel sorry for people that get false positives; people don’t discuss that there are too many checks in the system.

      • Robert James

        You’re most likely correct about not being a physician. But I would suggest that before you knock someone for their grammatical skills or punctuation use you learn the difference between “your” and “you’re”. You might consider how to use the space key when you type “punctuationand” and, when it comes to punctuation, think about how to place commas. I”m just sayin’.

        • KS Freeman

          /sarc off.

      • MAGA 2020

        I doubt YOUR a physician? It’s YOU’RE, dummy. Some spelling genius you are.

      • roner

        You best not criticize others’ grammar…

    • NavyCorpsman42

      C’mon, stop making excuses. Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.

    • bobbybana

      Thank you fran for pointing that out. Also a few herbal medication can give false positives.

    • RM

      As someone involved in Navy leadership for over 3 decades (recently retired), I assure you the military is quite aware of your concerns and has a rock solid program in place for testing for illicit drugs.The limits for a positive test are so high that there is zero chance of your concerns being a problem. Sailors, and their legal counsel, know this. That is why the main challenge to a positive drug urinalysis is rarely challenged on that grounds. Most Sailors opt to convince their commands that they were the victim of “innocent ingestion.” It’s realty quite amazing how many attempt to convince us their drinks were “spiked” with drugs. Their attempt almost always falls apart under investigation. In addition, when a positive analysis occurs, a secondary test is performed. A quick perusal of the internet would show you exactly how the military conducts this process. Your last comment was over the top and shows that you are ill-informed about how the military handles this matter.

      This situation is concerning, not because of the testing process, but because it is likely a signal of a deeper problem in the SEALS. Time will tell.

      • Jon

        I’m amazed at the people here trying to justify drug use, while babbling about “oh, the military hands out amphetamines like candy”. Funny, I was never issued any of these amphetamines. Or babbling about “false positives”. Do they really think the military is booting valuable people lightly? Or that there isn’t a system in place to challenge the results?

        “Deeper problem”; SEALs have had a known low order drug problem festering for years that they’ve tolerated. It’s been an open secret in the SpecOps community for quite awhile. This is their Chain of Command finally rooting it out with prejudice.

        • RM

          Yes, it has. Tolerating misconduct in SPECWAR has been an ongoing issue. We have three Navy’s… SPECWAR, Nuke’s and everyone else. Nukes has veto power over separation decisions.

          • Jon

            I’d call it four Navy’s then, because SPECWAR has a serious split personality in my experience. The impressively competent, the dolts, and not much in between.

      • NEC338x

        Like the cheating in the Naval Nuclear Propulsion program, its a signal of a deep systemic problem. One can argue the metrics being applied, but not the need for absolute integrity. Personal integrity is the first thing placed at risk when one is directed to employ a pump mentality to meet the bean counter demands.

        Filter not pump, baby!

    • Tjwag

      Are there false positives for cocaine?
      Taking something to stay awake I get, but it’s a leap to use cocaine, no?

      • TruthSayer

        Yes, smoking crack…

    • The Deplorable Native Texan

      All preliminary positives are confirmed using gas chromatography…

    • John Wood

      The results you cite are from the initial immunoassay testing method. A more thorough and specific second round of testing using gas chromotography/mass spectrometry usually follows those positive results.

    • Paul Von hacker

      We are given nuvigil as our alertness medication. It does not show up on the test. It is a melatonin binding agent and not a traditional stimulate. If they tested positive the first action taken is ruling out and otc or prescription medications. Appears these men were caught using illicit drugs and the military has a zero tolerance policy. Good riddance!

    • Rog

      THEN YOU ALSO KNOW THAT THE PRESENCE OF THINGS COMMONLY USED TO MASK THE TEST IS ONE INDICATOR OF FOUL PLAY!

    • USAF Retired

      Well if other medications can cause a false positive, then I’m sure it’s easy to determine if these guys were prescribed them. If not, then they’re ruined their own careers.

      • Curtis Conway

        Prescribed? . . . If a service member cannot tell the difference between ‘prescribed’ and ‘Over the Counter’, then they are not competent enough to serve . . . USAF Retired.

        • USAF Retired

          I was referring the the examiner.  If one shows positive, then all of his medications should be considered.  That was my point Curtis Conway.

          • Curtis Conway

            Then you have my most profound Apology. Drug testing is supposed to be conducted by qualified individuals who have been trained in the process, and this argument is part of the process, or is supposed to be. Perhaps we should examine the testing process used in this case. Are they qualified? In a world with seven genders, and Boy Scouts are no more, one is left to wonder.

          • USAF Retired

            I have to agree with you.

          • Jon

            Isn’t it like 56 identified genders now?

          • Curtis Conway

            You can spit on the ground and two more will be defined before it lands.

    • T-Rex

      That’s why you are asked if you are on ANY medications. If you are, in the military, your health record will support that. If not, and you don’t reveal any meds you are on, that is on YOU. Don’t try to minimize the test results. I was in the US Navy Silent (Submarine) Service from 1969 – 1989, we were tested several times a year, as they had unit sweeps every month. In all that time, I never heard of anyone having a false positive that wasn’t substantiated by their medical record. Quit trying to cover for these guys, as they put the rest of their unit at risk.

      • Dave

        T. rex I don’t think anyone is trying to minimize or condone drug abuse. I think Fran was trying to relate that the goverment should take extra steps to insure that these tests are 100 %correct because of the lives it would effect. Thanks for your service.

    • verneoz

      What is apparently being taken lightly is the fact that SEALs are supposed to be extreme professionals, and held to a higher standard. Your attempt to put the system itself on trial, by castigating these drug tests, casts doubt upon the command’s authority and its responsibility to maintain the good order and discipline of its units.

      • Dave

        All the more reason to make sure that these tests are 100% correct because it will affect these men’s lives. Every service member should be held at a higher standard and so should these tests

        • verneoz

          False positives is not the “problem.” It’s the use of illegal drugs impairing unit members from performing their mission. Yes, false positives do happen as exceptions, not the rule. “Positive positives” exist and this scourge needs to be eliminated through disciplinary actions.

          • Dave

            Verneoz total agree I just wanted to bring out the fact that the goverment needs to make sure that every service member gets an accurate test. And they are 100% sure before that discipline occurs. Don’t you agree?

          • Jon

            You’re starting from the position, with zip information to the contrary, that the military hasn’t ensured they’re 100% “sure”. You’re also overlooking that these guys being separated, had numerous opportunities to fight the drug charge if they thought they were innocent.

            Contrary to your belief, it isn’t “oh, hot drug test, boot them out NOW!”. The sample is checked and rechecked, they’re tested again, and they have plenty of opportunities, to include hiring a lawyer who specializes in drug cases, to fight it. They can fight it through various administrative reviews, all the way to a Court Martial.

    • They murder SF also

      Ya.. everyone else is guilty but the SEALs from the same unit that tested positive for Meth and cocaine all had a poppy seed eating contest just before testing and lied when they admitted to their command of the drug use before being told of their discharge. lol

    • amitorelocato

      If that is the truth, they should appeal their case and prove the positive results are from medications, not illegal drugs.

      • 1775

        If they are being administratively separated, they likely chose Captain’s Mast vice a courts martial because they were guilty has charged. Better to go out with Other-than-honorable discharge than a BCD or Dishonorable along with a felony conviction and brig time having been found guilty at a courts martial.

        • amitorelocato

          Would you go to jail for a crime you did not commit or will fight back to prove you are innocent?

          • Mack

            depends…you’ve heard of “plea bargaining”…

          • amitorelocato

            Plea bargaining is something you use to lesser your sentence.

          • 1775

            If you are innocent, you reject Captain’s Mast and request Courts Martial. That way the burden of proof is on the government at CM.

    • 0hw0w

      Surely the Seals don’t want to waste a few hundred dollars to ensure the accuracy of their positive results and instead immediately expel the soldier. I’m sure they immediately discharge him and lose the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent training him. “As a physician that performs urine drug screens”, if your testing is failing EVERYONE who takes the drugs you mention then maybe you need to stop using fly by night companies to do your testing. I can tell you from experience working in the ER and testing a dozen patient a day, during the winter (lots of antihistamines and Tessalon), it was extremely rare to have a false positive.

      • Jon

        “Millions”, not “hundreds of thousands”, and no, it’s not something they’re doing lightly, or without dotting i’s and crossing t’s. If these people getting booted had an issue with the test results, they’d be fighting them. Obviously, they did not.

    • Stan

      Military protocol is that they will be or were retested.

    • ChicagoThunder1

      I wonder if any of you know that the government has Sat’s that can take Mass Spectrometer readings remotely from hundreds of miles away. They can scan anything! Even an entire planet! All they need to do is hit you with the beam and bam they know what you are made of.

    • Eddie Smith

      I am a former Army Officer and Company Commander and as such I had to go through the testing labs to be given briefings on all stages of the urinalysis testing. Once a urine sample is screened (initially tested) and comes up with a positive result for drugs then the sample is retested and if the result is the same then it is forwarded for the next higher lab for the spectrometer testing. If that test comes back positive then the service member is retested to insure there was no contamination of the urine sample.
      You have to remember, the military has millions of dollars and years of experience invested in training of these SEALs and is not going to separate a very valuable asset just to do it. The militaries primary aim is to prevent drug use and positive readings level for each drug is set very high to prevent false reading and to stand up in court.
      My personal opinion is these SEALs got a very lucrative offer from some company to go to work for them.

      • Jerry Robertson

        hiliary’s cliton foundation officers and directors? the zucker? or even the idiot tesla after his fool comments costing $2billion in stock value to disappear this week

      • Jon

        The first stumbling block to landing most of these lucrative offers, is a security clearance…which they no longer have, and aren’t going to get. No clearance, and as far as most of these gigs go, your job title is “Fry boy at McDs”.

        Most of the companies making very lucrative offers also have drug testing policies, and there’s enough competition for lucrative offers, that someone with (at best) a general discharge for drug use, isn’t going to make the cut. Reason being, the prime contractor/customer rep (i.e. generally USGOV) is going to screen the resumes being sent forward. It’d be a huge red flag. It’s also a small, small world and your name and rep precedes you. That retired bird Colonel program manager, or retired General running the company that landed that lucrative contract, isn’t going to give a druggie the time of day. You’re going to have to have some serious skills no one else with an equivalent (less drugs) resume has, or some serious name brand recognition.

        SEALs have had long standing low order drug and general misbehaving issues. In short, they’ve started to believe their own press. Look at the SF guy, killed by 2 SEALs last year in Mali. Reportedly because the SEALs were skimming the OP Fund monies. New command is cracking down hard, gave everyone fair warning, and are drug testing early, often, and while deployed. These guys getting booted, are the ones that didn’t take the message seriously, and are on hard drugs. Joke’s on them, CoC is serious this time, and that Trident and millions invested, didn’t save them.

    • just me saying

      Well tell that to the trucking industry . False readings destroys truck drivers carrers .but I guess it doesent matter it’s just dumb truckers right

    • roner

      Do these people not have access to legal counsel? “FREE” (to them, of course!!) legal counsel, I might add?!?!

      • haggus

        Not really. The prosecutors and defense JAGs all work in the same office and literally switch sides on a regular basis, at least in my experience.

    • joe smith

      listen, this is the last thing the navy seal command wants to say in public. what good comes out of announcing and doing this for them? because of that, i would be shocked if these were false positives. it is a total embarrassment to the seals so i’m sure they took every effort to make sure the results were 100% accurate before taking this action.

      also, instead of doing this discreetly, they are out doing this in the public. to me that says there is a major problem and the command is trying to smash the problem. this isn’t some unrelated party or civilian oversight group that has a bone to pick with the seals. this is its own command structure making the announcements and meting out the punishment. they are clearly sending a message after the more discreet message back in ’16 failed. this seems to be a real issue but at least it is localized to east coast teams and hopefully isn’t prevalent across every team.

    • EnoughIsEnough

      Thank you for taking the time to share this, I learned a lot from your post. The men and women who defend us deserve the benefit of all due process. I hope this is respected in these cases!

    • fredbailey

      Thank you.

    • dzobels

      Department of Defense policy has required GC/MS confirmation testing on all drug positive urine samples since 1981. Strict chain of custody documentation is also a requirement. Actionable positives, meaning properly documented screen and a GC/MS positive above a predetermined ng/ml saturation, can and sometimes do result in courts martial. These sailors are fortunate they are not heading to Fort Leavenworth.

    • jasonburnstein

      What ever happened to offenders being sentenced to hard time in the brig for such crimes ???

    • pismopal

      …who performs.

    • FREECHEESE

      I’m sure the Navy knows what they’re doing? There are many ways to skin a cat and I’m sure they know them all.

    • Rickety Janes

      oh i think theyre aware of the procedural issues…this is cleaning house of the Obama era accomplices, or just some of the psycho types that made it in over the last 20 years…
      if youre a roided-up freak, into killing for its own sake, who’s done off-book work for cartel or whoever: it’s time for you to go.

    • U.S. Deplorable ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      There are missions that our US Military undertake where they are actually given Dexedrine capsules and quick-tabs to increase alertness and stamina. The most common mission is US Combat pilots and support craft.
      The US Navy Seals could easily fall under this category, depending on how far they were required to travel in the water or on foot. These missions are also highly classified.

    • TexMarine

      How are you certain that no follow up test and investigation occurred? Everyone submits a sample, and not all samples are tested. So to have 11 positive, to me, means that an investigation had occurred over several weeks, and several “random” samples. This happened to my unit in the 90’s. One popped, he rolled, everyone submitted to testing every week until they found the rest of them or they rolled over on each other. Every positive test was followed up by a gas spec., otherwise a savvy JAG lawyer would have had the urine dismissed.

    • RSJA

      http://www.med.navy.mil/sites/nmcphc/navy-drug-screening-labs/our-process/Pages/default.aspx

      “How We Test Samples

      “Specimens sent to confirmation are tested for drug presence and concentration using Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS) or Liquid Chromatography Tandem Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS) instrumentation.”

      Doctor,

      The Navy uses GC/MS before reporting back to the command that the sample as “positive”. You have received 117 up votes from people who believe that the Navy is not properly testing the samples…….

    • RSJA

      Doctor,
      If you go to the US Navy med site (navy(dot)med(dot)mil and search for drug screening – the Navy first screens the samples. If a sample indicates positive, then further testing is conducted:
      “Specimens sent to confirmation are tested for drug presence and concentration using Gas Chromatography/Mass Spectrometry (GC/MS) or Liquid Chromatography Tandem Mass Spectrometry (LC/MS/MS) instrumentation.” All of that happens before the command is informed of the positive results.
      You have gotten 119 people who now think that the Navy is engaged in criminal acts based upon your considered medical opinion.
      First, do no harm.

  • Yougetalife

    I grew up in Atlanta. A major drug hub so drugs are everywhere. Most people used when they are young but settle down as they age. My point is young folks make mistakes and we give them second chances.

    • bddd

      Well. These guys deserve a second chance because of what has been asked of
      them. (Although there is one “SEAL” I’d like to find and beat the sh !t
      out of for being complicit in my Green Beret son in law being
      needlessly KIA. And yes, I actually am a pretty tough guy so it’d be a
      fun time for both of us!) But we do owe them a second chance (especially
      since ‘stimulant’s get issued to our forces.)

  • Nathan Forrest

    Try a 48 hour mission with no sleep and your butt on the line and tell me you wouldn’t use any stimulant available to keep you alert and alive. Those of you preaching the “Zero Tolerance” line have never served on a spec ops team. Coffee and Copenhagen don’t work past the first 24 hrs into a mission… that’s the reality of the situation.

    All Armed Services Special Ops are stretched to the breaking point in our current endless war, I wonder how long before Admiral Skz re-thinks his stance when he is ordered to deploy more Seal Teams than he has at the ready ?

    Seems to me like the only party that “Wins” in this situation is the Rear Admiral and his “Reputation & Career advancement scheme”….

    • bddd

      When a senior officer acts like a politician, the warriors lose and the enemy wins… .

      • Nathan Forrest

        You nailed it !

    • silencedogoodreturns

      you don’t think “Admiral Skz” has ever served a 48 day? Think again

      • Nathan Forrest

        I’m sure the Admiral has worked his share of long days on the bridge or pushing his pencil around behind his desk, agonizing over which time he will go to the officers mess or perhaps have his man servant prepare his supper in his quarters. One thing about the Navy, the follow the English military traditions to a T.
        Officers get steak and wine, the enlisted man is fortunate to get SPAM and a cup of cold coffee.

        I know I’m exaggerating, but comparing a stressful day of difficult decisions for an officer to a physically and mentally demanding spec ops mission is not a fair comparison.

        • Riley

          Hey Forrest, how about reading something about the Admiral you criticize? Seems he commanded a special boats unit and a seal team. Me thinks he knows something about what he speaketh.

    • dattebayo

      If the Navy deems it necessary for the mission, they will accomadate, just like they do for pilots. Im sure this has nothing to do with missions or their readiness factor and everything to do with getting high for the sake of getting high.

    • Sir Bateman

      The problem with doing coke to stay up for 48 hours straight is that you’d have to do a lot of it, by that I mean you don’t get a lot of bang for your buck with coke. You’d probably be too busy doing lines to actually perform whatever immediate task needed to be taken care of.

      If you truly need to burn the midnight oil go pills are the way to go.

  • baddog

    If you read any of the books about the seal teams, drugs go way back and over looked due to their profession. They were told to do what ever it takes. They were the ones that did the US’s dirty work! Whats changed?

  • Allen

    If it makes you happy it can’t be that bad

  • silencedogoodreturns

    what type of “methamphetamines?” I’m no drug expert, but I know plenty of drugs may be called for to pull 48 hour duty days etc. Don’t see any excuse for cocaine, but could there be other circumstances for the others? Don’t know

  • Feldwebel Schultz

    Oh, the careers I have seen washed away with a urine test. It’s ok if “doc” gives you stuff; just don’t buy your own. Dumb.

  • John Smith

    The US Military began the urinalysis system after a aircraft crashed into the back, of an aircraft carrier. The urinalysis system works. If you piss hot, you have 90 days to clear post, everybody knows the rules. Prior to the urinalysis drug use was rampant. Today there are no illegal drug addicts in the military, zero. Most SF units get pissed five times per year. There are zero over the counter anything that can hide a positive piss test.

  • Nadzieja Batki

    Why would you, guys, do something this stupid ruining your lives over drug use?

  • TexanForever

    Just finished reading “Lone Survivor.” … This is so disappointing. Better make damn sure they weren’t false positives caused by something else.
    .

  • DevilDog83

    And… When you’re treated like you’re God’s gift to this country people will take liberties They’ve probably done it for many years. I don’t think it kept them from doing their jobs. It probably helped them at times.

  • D. Jones

    “Want to kill yourself, don’t take others with you.”

    Perfectly stated.

    Wish they’d drug test congress. Weekly.

    • ARZMAN

      I whole heartedly agree.

  • 31stState

    The comment about watching the foundation & culture eroding before our eyes can be applied to the whole country. And especially my home state of California.
    Militaries are a reflection of the society they are recruited from.
    We’re in serious trouble…

  • Kalusa

    Wait! What? I thought drug use was a sickness to be treated. Given the huge investment in training each special operator I’d think they’d want to treat the illness and rehabilitate these people.

    • silencedogoodreturns

      they tried

  • pithy repartee

    Our grandffathers drank, smoked, and did who knows what else, while they were in the fight for their very lives battling and ultimately defeating Hitler. We drank, smoked and toked in RVN. It takes the “edge” off when you’re staring death in the face.

    • NoPurpleFlavorAid

      Drinking is allowed.

  • Jack

    Quite a bit of drug use in spec ops and projects. Submarine force has a surprising amount, too. People here that aren’t currently active duty, I can tell you for sure fact that they aren’t false positives. They probably thought two or three days was enough to get it out of their system…

  • mattharshman

    Sounds like the standards have dropped drastically. Guess they’ll let anyone tryout these days.

  • gordo53

    Give the poor guys a break. They’re just trying to keep that “edge” that makes them SEALS.

  • Jerry

    Navy seals wouldn’t yield to the communists cause now they will be discredited. Willing to bet dollars to pesos that their will be serious defeats coming thier way. Almost like the enemy knew they were coming. Stay safe fellas.

  • Michael Harris

    Today’s military is not like it was 25 yrs ago either. We had much higher standards. And not a bunch of weekend warrior wannabes.

  • Tony Schaefer

    Honestly the Navy needs to look from within. With regards to abuse the fact is that these elite personnel are subjected to operational tempos that would kill a lesser person. And the Military and the Navy in general tends to contribute to these habits by prescribing medications that help keep the individual ready and alert. And when these people deploy for years at a time they get used to having access to these types of drugs to keep them on the fighting edge. As they transition back to stateside life the training tempo does not decrease but rather picks up in order for them to prepare for the next deployment cycle. And during stated training there is NO access to the meds that the Navy has given them on deployment, so they look to other drugs keep that edge. In short the Navy has endorsed this kind of activity. Granted these warriors should not have done what they did and should be punished.

  • redant23

    Maybe one night they all partied on some coke, or were talked into to taking a n amphetamine type substance to help with energy not knowing, or it is simply a false positive. Either of the three would not bother me. We need to relax about the whole “drug” thing in general in the USA. caffeine, nicotine, and alcohol are drugs too. Not to mention the terrible and or simply unknown drugs doctors give for Mental and emotional problems. Amazing that so many of these mass murderers were on and or used to be on doctor prescribed psychotic meds

  • Jay Patriot

    Seriously, it’s probably just metabolites derived from combining multiple high end bodybuilding products.

  • dpaul

    A drug test is not a capability test, it is not a performance test and it is not a test that determines loyalty or determination. A drug test at it’s core is a tool used by prohibitionists to promote their own particular sense of morality on all others.

  • TOUGHCHOICE

    How about testing ALL federal employees..including CONgress….many careers would be ENDED and that would be a GOOD thing….imho

    • JR Wirth

      Those results would be interesting!

  • NavyCorpsman42

    being administratively discharged? Why not a bad conduct or a dishonorable discharge? Is is so they can keep all their veterans pay and benefits?

    • TheEvilBlight

      presumably a regular squid would get a bcd

  • steve123

    When you have the sec navy buying green fuel at ten rimes the cost of normal fuel, commanders crashing boats, presidential candidates with illegal private servers and an fbi and doj breaking the law, the little guys might follow suit.

  • Vectormanic

    These individuals are the toughest of the tough… It would be nuts to dismiss them and then have them become private mercenaries available to the highest bidder. There has to be a better way in-house to remedy this incident.

  • Rusty Shackleford

    “Living with a Seal”

  • Elihu

    With the kind of money and time it takes to create and train Spec Ops troops one would think they would have given them a blood test to confirm it was not a false positive. If they again tested positive offer them a choice of discharge or drug treatment. I would not be surprised if these guys suffer from PTSD and are seeking some type of relief.

  • robbie555

    Its a culture that has changed to self and not serving. It is a liberal left culture that runs through our country now. Our elected officials want our kids on drugs by legalizing it. Legalizing pot has only made the problem worse. Its insane that we have leaders that want this for our society.

  • Red Riotdog

    The Navy spent a lot of taxpayer money training these special operators to do a high risk dangerous stressful job. I find it incredibly stupid that they are not being offered mandatory drug and alcohol treatment programs instead of kicking them out of the service. The Officer who is kicking them out should be advised that throwing away tax money and also not helping these Sailors if they want a second chance is stupid, dumb and heartless. Also, depending on their discharges they may not even be able to get drug treatment and medical care fron the VA. They did this same thing to many Vietnam combat Vets who used smack to cope with combat stress and they suffered all the rest of their lives because of heartless treatment by the Military.

  • Mark Tomlinson

    As Jessy Fields mentioned in a comment below, the use of stimulants and other drugs were not only used, but supplied and condoned by Operational Detatchment Command 25 plus years ago. Due to extreme environment conditions of covert operations, I do not see how this practice was stopped. In fact I don’t see how positive test could be avoided, especially with operatives on loan to Governmental Agencies. I would be also surprised if the stimulants were not found in combination with opiates. This combination at low doses was commonly used as a performance enhancing tool. But I would also be surprised if these return personnel were put back on active duty lists before they were all clear. I am sure this was most likely a clerical error and will be resolved by the investigation. My main concern with this is how it got leaked to the press and who leaked it. Hopefully it will be killed and swept under the rug. Ending the careers of ten operators as well as thier reputations should be considered an act of domestic terrorism and treated as such.

  • Braveheart8850

    This is what happens when you lower the standards in the military.

  • JR Wirth

    Any drug test is less important than a psychological test.

    The SEAL culture itself is something no one would fit into unless he’s half crazy. Many of them go full crazy and just split one day to Thailand or some other foreign place where they disappear, become body guards for rich weirdos, or get onto some other nefarious activity. This is what happens when you make a career out of training to murder people (state sanctioned). This doesn’t even touch on the wife swapping issues and things like that which develop in cultures like this.

    What it all boils down to is that young men want to join a legacy of hardened warriors (mostly Hollywood invented pap) and when they pass, like a pin ball through this training, are called “elite” and start believing it. But, as time goes by, they get bored with training exercises (white water rafting) and want real action. If they don’t get it, they end up doing cocaine and wife swapping. If they do get action they come back a mental basket case that’s even worse, and all that for a government check. They should have just gone into sales.

  • Gryff

    Doesn’t the government pump our service members full of amphetamines every time the needs of the service call for it?

  • From what I have heard, spec ops are on more drugs than a pro bike racer like Lance Armstrong. In the 80’s all Marines got steroids at basic training and all gained 20 lbs of muscle from nothing but pushups and jogging in cadence. Back then roids were legal, now they are “illicit” unless you are a woman who “identifies” as Ronnie Colman. As for spec ops, I’m all for them all lit up on coke and in a roid rage, whatever helps them complete the mission. This is really dumb political correctness gone wrong. These are people being sent to kill other people and you are worried about if they are high? Typical red tie, pencil sharpener, desk jockey logic.

    • These are men being sent to certain death in some circumstances, so If I was in command, whatever gave them any edge I would be all for it. Steroids, hgh, redbull and meth, all of it. This is war, its about kill or be killed, nothing should be “illicit”.

    • Mack

      didn’t give us steroids unless they just didn’t tell us…but yeah did gain muscle weight…there were rumours they put salt peter in our chow

      • It wasn’t salt peter, the opposite, dianobol, lol. Yes, all the dudes who enlisted in Marine’s came back from basic +20lbs in two months. Here I am in the gym killing myself with weights for 10lbs a year, so I knew something special were in those powdered eggs.

        • Secundius

          Probably is Saltpeter! Potassium Nitrate has been used as basic Food Supplement in Basic Training since at least 1913. I went into Basic weighing ~145-pounds and came out weighing ~195-pounds. And it wasn’t from eating Mashed Potatoes every day…

          • 50 lbs from doing pushups….. Nope, lol. Steroids work and with some people like you, work like magic!

    • Slambo

      Dude, I lost 25lbs in boot camp (’89) that I didn’t have to spare in the first place. Saw a dude get kicked out of the Corps during School of Infantry because they found ‘roids in his locker. So basically you’re just stupid and need to get out of your mom’s basement.

      • You sir, are a liar.

        • Slambo

          Yeah I lie a lot. On your mom.

      • The military now does things far surpassing steroids, such as eliminating the bodies governor in the brain, brain interface chips and other things. As far as chemicals, steroids are 1940’s tech, they now have selective androgen receptor peptides. Putting steroid powder in the Marine’s chow is a relic.

  • MysteryMan

    The writing was on the wall when the media splashed SEALS and their missions all over the news and films for the last 20 years. A once little known and elite group started attracting a whole new kind of person. People that wanted to be heroes, or wanted to be famous. During the Vietnam war and the decade after, if you said “SEAL/UDT” 99% of the population would have no idea what you were talking about. They silently and courageously did their work, now they are stuff of movies, books and tabloids, and they are attracting more and more of just the kind of people they probably don’t want.

    • SweatnSteel

      Doesn’t matter. If the psych and physical requirements and screening out of nonhackers had stayed as rigorous as they are supposed to be, these issues would have washed out long before they got their Budweisers..

      But then there would be hardly none of them, and not even a fraction of what is needed to deal with our overstretched operations and tempo.

      Nobodies Richard is that long, not even long Richard Johnson, and he had a long Richard, hence the name.

      • Collectivist

        Really boring . . .

  • Alex Andrite

    Hello ! In order to get transferred out of ‘country’ we had to submit a urine sample. Many had already been caught up in the inexpensive heroin habit. Clean pee samples were for sale on board ship / boat.
    U.S.N. ’68 – ’72.

  • SweatnSteel

    Everyone here calling this fake news:

    You’ve no idea how badly everything has degraded over the last few year. Everyone and his gimpy cousin are now allowed into Special Operations, psych and physical no where near as rigorous as any of you knew pre-2000… Especially the psych.. Many in uniform these days have no business being in. From totally insane to total basket cases.

    Plenty are still OK and are good to go, but a shocking amount aren’t, putting everyone else in unreasonable risk..

    So this is not surprising, nor the aircraft cratering in nor ships colliding… It’s not going to get better.

    The check has come due on the inevitable.

  • Asclepius

    Truth is treason to an empire of lies

  • Christopher Perrien

    Drugs on duty and drugs off duty are two far different things. It is nice to see the SEALS being as stupid as the US military has been for a long time. They lose a lot of good soldiers from drug testing and 0 tolerance.

  • Gorgo

    Really? This is almost beyond belief. They’re SEALS.

  • WJMcCarthy

    Drugs and booze are/were ubiquitous, especially in the military. A lot of young men prone to risky behavior, stress, and sometimes boredom, so no surprise. Back in the early 70’s the 82nd Airborne was called the “Jumping Junkies”. Mostly pot smoking on the weekends. On Friday and Saturday evenings you could see a haze coming out of the side of the barracks usually by the third floor ventilators. Guys would be huddled next to the big ventilation fan at the end of the barracks bay smoking. Sometimes on the weekends our First Sergeant would show up to sleep one off in the barracks. Privates had pot, old school NCO’s liquor. Different time and not Spec Ops. Happens. No drug tests. But, lots of locker inspections. Had a platoon leader who thought he was Dick Tracy follow a trooper home one evening to bust him for drugs. Got his nose broken for his efforts. Not sure what the solution is; but, seems like you would not want that kind of problem in any of the Spec Ops communities. Another question is; are these men suffering from TBI or PTSD? A lot of TBI vets try meth because it clears the brain fog. Something to consider.

  • Oh GeezNotAgain

    Illicit drug use. Standards. Contradiction. I hope every one of these separations, if carried out, are fully justified and not built on sketchy testing protocols. We cannot afford to just throw away our best warriors, flippantly.

    • Funkenstein✓Funkᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ™

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

  • MAGA 2020

    Atheist, shut yer yap.

  • Mark Burns

    Russia collusion

  • Roberta

    So that’s how they’re such super men.

  • idontknow

    So suddenly 10 SEALs from Little Creek decide to tweek all at once, eh?

    Yeah, right. I know a purge when I see one…

  • idontknow

    So your theory is that SEALs decided to look for the easiest way out?

  • Rog

    WERE THEY STATIONED AT PAX RIVER?

  • Jay

    President Sniffles will either execute them…or pardon them…depending on how they answer the question: Who did you vote for for President?

  • publius_maximus_III

    Incredible loss, very sad.

  • william readling

    Oh come on. They give pilots “go pills” but get bent out of shape when their employees pee a little of the exact same substance.

  • William J Forrest wi

    The little black seeds on sandwich buns will make you positive for a drug test

  • Western

    how often do we test Congress?

  • Ahh, Policy Decisions versus Survivability Decisions. Remember VMAQ-2 on the USS Nimitz in 1981. That was the first I know of, I can recall some of those first piss tests onboard the USS Midway in 83. Two Phantom squadron’s officers popped hot except for but a lonely two; both of the C/O’s of each squadron that were ‘clean’. The news came in Subic Bay and we all popped hot.

    Fast forward to Naval Drug Rehab in 1988 where the beds were full, including some filled with a few of our venerable Seal operators and you should be able to see the path.

    Moral of the Story? The tip of the sword is bloody and does not care who wields it. We do what we have to do to survive the ordeals we face. So far as a medical record entry is concerned, it may be there, who would know when your Medical Records went MIA after your first enlistment when the action was always HOT?

    I stand with the 10.

  • Bigbird

    While deployed with SEAL Teams to Iraq in 2009 and 2011, we conducted urinalysis just as frequently as we did while in CONUS. Yes, logistically challenging, but easily done with a little work. Zero positives. That many in a couple of months is command climate issue in addition to poor choices that the members made.

  • Kevin Turner

    For those of you claiming “fake news,” I’d like you to consider that the military isn’t burning 10 leg privates just out of AIT. They are burning 10 highly-trained operators, in whom millions have been invested. Now, they have to go out and try to go out and try to replace all that training and expertise.

    Instead of jumping to the “fake news” conclusion, I think that it is much more reasonable to think that we have stressed these guys out through multiple deployments, to the point where they they simply needed the stimulants to keep awake. Either that, or we’ve stressed them to the point where they turned to drugs to relieve that stress.

    • Chester Courtland

      Cocaine isn’t the drug to take if you’re stressed out.

  • Joseph Abarno

    I lost the chance at a good job when I tested positive for opiates. Just so happens I had a poppy bagel the night before and one for breakfast that day. Those tests are BS.

  • 4lifeandfreedom

    Poppy seeds,also?

  • DieselBoatMan

    This is the natural outcome when you allow yourselves to be pulled constantly into the limelight.

    Time to go dark brothers, get out of sight, and simply do what you do. What you do is profound enough, as well as amazing. Those prompting that you stay in the limelight do not have your best intentions at heart.

    Lastly, it seems that this is a repeating pattern. In the late sixties it was the Green Berets. Later it was the Delta Force. They smartened up and went dark … hint.

    • Jon

      An unfortunate reality, is that you cut people slack and autonomy, give
      them opportunities to misbehave with impunity, some people will abuse
      it, and start believing their press. Every single time. It’s a cyclical thing, in all our SpecOps units. Things get slack, they beg “hey guys, clean up your act”, some
      ignore…they drop the hammer. Rinse and repeat, every decade or two.

      Note…you missed SF in the late 80s (again), it was just fairly quiet. Or, remember Marchinko? How about the Great Travel Voucher Scandal that involved just about everyone?

  • vik

    This story is ridiculous. There are zero actual facts nor did they go to the source. They are trying to just play our emotions. We don’t know if they were snorting cocaine or if they might have a condition and afraid that he will get fired. The rules are Ignorant and lack understanding of a condition like ADHD. It’s basically telling someone they cannot wear glasses. From my understanding, the military discriminates against ADHD and some even tell recruits to lie on their workup and say they don’t have it. So being that you can find hundreds of soldiers asking how they can join and they have a condition ( very real) I can see how something like this would happen. This is not our place to pass judgement because we don’t know the actual facts . To get as far as they have… I give them the benefit of doubt and only respect.

  • riley7

    No problem, now are they qualified to work for the CIA?

  • proudrino

    The real story here would be the reasons WHY drug use among SEALs is (apparently) on the rise. According to the article, it’s been a known issue since late 2016. What has been done? What are the reasons for the spike in drug abuse? As presented, this article presents more questions than it does answers. Much like the USNA drug scandal discussion has been limited to administrative actions and not the underlying causes.

  • lib hypocrites

    Remember SEALS, only amphetamines given to you by your government are okay to take.

  • USAF Retired

    You’re outta here.

  • Chill Nyarlathothep

    What else can they do? They’re stuck deploying multiple times to faraway countries in pointless conflicts. Their families are probably falling apart because they’re never home. They probably have PTSD, TBI, or a mixture of the two. Their bodies are probably breaking down at a ridiculous rate given the ops tempos they’re presented with.

    Might as well get high or become a drunk. It’s the only way they’re going to get any peace of mind. No wonder troops abuse substances at a ridiculous rate. I did too back when I was an Infantryman. When things aren’t going to get any better anyway, just get drunk so you don’t care anymore.

    • HenryL

      Precisely. We put them in death-defying, unwinnable situations … multiple times a year, all over the world …

      I am not saying a Positive is not a big deal. I am not saying that they are the same as the men who don’t use drugs. I am not saying that there should not be punishment, either.

      But these are *extremely* special troops. Find out why they did what they did and see if we can put a stop to it without destroying them. Suspend. Demote. Retire early those who are close. But do not separate.

  • red25

    enlisted? aren’t seals officers?

    • grizzled1two

      SEAL teams are mostly enlisted.

  • Thank you for your drug use on the job… I mean service.

  • Richard Right

    Drug users hang out with other drug users. Drug users encourage others to use drugs saying “it’s no big deal, they won’t catch anyone, you won’t get addicted” drug users like to get paid for drugs used after introducing new users to the drug.

  • Jack Newton

    When doing urinalysis, you hand the supervisor your ID card, pick up a specimen bottle and inspect it to make sure no foreign substances are present, write down any OTC medications or herbal supplements you have recently consumed on the roster next to your name, and you sign the register above your name. Then you are escorted to the restroom where you are observed going into the bottle. When you return to the table where you obtained your bottle, you hold your bottle on the table while the supervisor places a red seal tape across the cap and along the sides of the bottle and you confirm with the supervisor that it is indeed your urine in the bottle. He places the bottle in the box with the other specimens and returns your ID card to you. All collection boxes are sealed and shipped to the testing facility. The likelihood of someone spiking the samples is insanely small.
    At the testing facility, each specimen is tested and every positive is retested. At a minimum, a positive sample is tested three times. The likelihood of a false positive is slim – in other words, a clean sample is not going to test positive, and if a sample is positive, it is verified positive multiple times.
    Anyone having a positive will find themselves providing another sample very soon after the command is informed of the positive. Every command is required to perform a certain number of samples each month, plus perform command sweeps a couple times per year. Positives will conveniently find themselves peeing more frequently, but they are not likely to be told that they are under suspicion – this is so the command can build a case file. Woe be it if they test positive again!
    It is possible that these particular commands were lax in their sampling frequencies prior to these most recent tests. This would create an environment in which these sailors felt comfortable that they would not get caught. In order for 11 members of the same command to test positive there would have to be either a huge conspiracy to sabotage the specimens and set these sailors up for failure or some sailors finally got caught doing something they shouldn’t be doing; they took something they should not have taken. You don’t accidentally ingest meth or cocaine unless someone poisoned you, in which case, there should be 11 sailors filing complaints with the police to find the person who poisoned them. Since this is not likely, it is more probable that they all took something thus breaking the rules. And speed (amphetamines) will appear differently than meth – the test facility is going to be able to tell the difference.
    In my 20 years, I knew only 2 people to ever pop a test – one for pot and one for coke. That’s a lot of urine at a lot of commands over a long period of time. I’m sure there were more, but I only know of 2.
    Sadly, what is the most likely scenario here is that these SEALs thought they would never get caught or were too indispensable. Too bad.

    • Dave

      Sounds like you know a lot about this. I have heard that ingesting foods for example poppy seed rolls/ cake could create a false positive. Is that true?

  • DaveLCAC

    Cleaning out more Obama trash.

  • $20467842

    The debauchery that was the Obama administration had been festering for 8 years. This is just one of many boils that will have to be lanced.

  • Steve Rice

    The military is in an unfortunate situation. It has been reported recently by our generals that a very very high percentage of applicants are ‘unfit’ for service these days which means even fewer are going to meet the standards placed by such teams as the Rangers or the SEALS and so on! At some point in time, due to the stresses placed on the physical body and the joy happy prescribing happy doctors giving drugs for pain and relief thanks to free handing pharma reps representing the big companies it is a big set up for these hard working men! At some point in time the military has to let up and realize if you start continue the policy of making this a ‘discharge’ offense you won’t have a SEAL team to bust anymore! What ever happened to rehab huh? What the frick is this dumping the untold tax payer dollars we spent to train these guys just to discharge them now because you got one failed piss test or blood work? It sounds like a big flaw in the recruitment and take care of your own theories you propose in your patriot lingo to me and personally I feel the service owes more than a discharge to these men under other than honorable conditions! You put far too much into these guys training for this to justify ending it. Send them to rehab and keep them for crying out loud you are stupid and shooting yourself in the feet to do otherwise!

  • Michael Orr

    You are the best in the WORLD. Why would you even mess with that crap?

    • Michael Orr

      Just to be fair. Congress should be drug tested too. But chances are we would have no one in Congress.

    • 1775

      Think of the tax dollars spent training these guys. All for nothing.

      • Chester Courtland

        Yeah, all for nothing and it’s these Seals fault not the Navy’s fault.

        • 1775

          There is a set of rules for a reason. Obey them or you are dismissed. Grown men making choices to dishonor the SEALs who have gone before them. Pretty simple and indefensible.

  • JD

    I’m not surprised and you shouldn’t be either. A while back a group of seals were busted for selling arms to cartels and I knew of another seal personally who went to Colombia and was “security” for a cartel group and later hired himself out as a mercenary for Israel. He finally ended up as strong arm for an MD selling prescription pain meds and performance enhancing drugs. The American public loves hero and military worship; the fact of the matter is that they are a cross section of the general public like any other large organization. Meaning, there are a lot of great people and some real scumscum.

  • Supernevadasmith

    I Have A Dream – Where Men will be judged by the content of their character instead of the content of their blood .

  • Hypocrites

    Pilots in WW2 were gulping down amphetamine issued by DD by the hand full to stay awake on long flights. Bunch of hypocrites

  • The White Wolfe

    Obamas destruction of the military is mission accomplished.

    • Chester Courtland

      I hate Obama too but I doubt he is the reason these 10 Seals were taking illicit drugs.

      • The White Wolfe

        A complete breakdown in fundamental discipline, moral character and aptitude.
        obama owns it all

      • The White Wolfe

        bama owns the total and complete breakdown of fundamental moral character,
        discipline and aptitude.
        Yes he is the cause of it all.

        • Chester Courtland

          Sorry Tom, I can’t agree with you on this. These men decided to act in an un-Seal like fashion. This has nothing to do with Obama for once.

          • The White Wolfe

            Well you are wrong- I spent the evening with active duty Senior NCOS
            The entire breakdown of moral and good order and discipline started with obama- you need to know what you are speaking about.
            Once again- he owns the ruination of the once best military force in the world- we no longer hold that title.

          • Chester Courtland

            Again, Obama didn’t make thee Seals break their code and honor. They did that of their own accord. I get it, you hate Obama, as I do, but these Seals screwed up and they must suffer the consequences. It’s as simple as that.

          • The White Wolfe

            your missing my point-
            code of honor is meaningless once the core is rotten.

          • Chester Courtland

            Tom, these men are responsible for their actions. That’s the long and short of it. The code of honor is never meaningless regardless of who the president is. I understand you hate Obama and you are not alone. These men and men like them is a rampant problem in my beloved Navy and throughout the Military services. This problem didn’t start with Obama and it won’t stop with Trump. The culture rot in the military has been going on for decades. These Seals need to be made an example of what happens to men and women who do these things. Until then, it will continue regardless of who the president.

  • Eddie Smith

    You are correct. Modafinil makes you mentally sharp but doesn’t get you wired out. You can even take naps and sleep and you wake up mentally sharp.

  • ablubud

    Seals SUK. They have lost the last five engagements they were involved in. Probably high on pot or coke.

    • Secundius

      Or “Strung Out” on “Modafinil” the US Navy’s No-Go Pill of Choice…

  • ironage

    Well, you know how SEALS are these days….they are probably upset when they find out they won’t be movie stars.

  • Barry

    tragic waste of talent. poor guys. but rules are rules.

  • No Funeral

    The DoD sticks by an antiquated policy that has no place in the 21st century. All this did was weaken the force by ten SEALs. Do you honestly think these guys can be replaced? This was a stupid move.

    • Chester Courtland

      You want cocaine and speed users in the Seals? That’s ridiculous. These men deserve to get thrown out and dishonorably discharged.

  • roner

    Please remember to thank them for their service…

  • Taitennek

    I’m not surprised….
    The US military services desperate need fresh meat for their global wargames.
    The shortage of military personel is so bad that a convicted citizen can choose… or jail, or a military career.

  • Kimbell

    I thought Seals got high on Adrenalin……..No need or time for Junk……….

  • Mike

    When are we going to test member of congress for drugs?

    • roner

      When they pass a law mandating it, and then follow it. Don’t hold your breath.

  • Ike Leek

    Democrats.

  • Bill

    I hope both these Seal Team members as well as the Naval physicians who did these tests listen to what Dr. Fran wrote, as each Team member has a tremendous amount of time, effort, training and careers that will be flushed down the drain and sacrificed if these tests are incorrect.

  • despo

    What if someone pulled a bill cosby and “slipped them a micky”? Does “being held accountable for their actions” still apply?

  • News Reporter

    I worked a long time in the army JAG office. Everyone knew about pilots in every branch using a light form of meth during long overseas flights. Ephedrine, was found in every gas station in the early 90’s. When that was banned, they moved to watered down forms meth. Then it went to Adderall, which is the number one prescription sought by every professional and student. I was trusted by a lot of brass and senior nco’s. I was approached by many of them to acquire Adderall. I did not. But they definitely got a hold of it. Some of them were like night and day when they took a pill. The bitter attitudes washed away for that day. I tried it three times. Honestly, I think it should be legalized over the counter. I had zero side effects and no addiction whatsoever. I got tired of it after one day, 8-10 hours of the highest mg form. I could only see myself using it rarely, once a month max. Coffee works for me.

  • David C

    There’s got to be a lot more to this story. Something doesn’t sound right. 11 sailors in a 2 month period? If some or all of these guys are being railroaded, they need to demand a court martial. Let a lawyer dig a little and get more tests performed on the samples. On the other hand if thesel 11 are users, there’s a big, big problem.

    • zonablue

      Trust me—–there’s a big, big problem—-and it’s not the only problem, either. The social experimentation going on within the military’s sleeping quarters in regards to inducting individuals who are psychologically unable to determine what gender they are is an even bigger one.

  • zonablue

    It’s too bad the Navy doesn’t have a zero tolerance policy for psychologically unfit individuals with Gender Identity Disorder, too.

  • Enough Already

    It’s the most dangerous job in the world. With what’s expected of them if a little upper is necessary then so be it. Hell the Government has done far worse to soldiers without their permission. Look into LSD. With that said I question if 10 guys actually tested positive.
    Ok moderators what was said that put this post under moderation? I’ll wait for your response.

  • Paul L. Grimala

    Hey, a**wipe how do you think “special forces” stay awake for 48 hours

    • Jon

      By staying awake. If any of these guys had a mission that required the use of amphetamines, they wouldn’t be getting a p-test.

      You people seem to think they hand it out like candy…nothing could be further from the truth. I’m retired SF, combat disabled, spent 15 years as an SF Medic, unit Pee Master, Company senior medic in a unit with a classified Anti-terrorism mission, and I never took amphetamines or issued them out once. Heck, I can’t think of a single instance where I even requested amphetamines to carry/issue.

  • fredbailey

    I seriously doubt the validity of this report- but, if it’s true, it’s a damn shame.
    My background tells me that this is BS.
    One should hold judgement until all of the facts are in.
    There are many things that can appear in toxicology screens that can give false readings.

  • grizzled1two

    The story keeps stressing “East Coast” SEALs. If it’s who I think it is, then I’m confident that all measures to keep these SEALs in service was explored; i.e. corrective custody, alternate duty, rehab, counseling…and on. My guess is that something really bad happened in training or an operation that prompted the drug test and that the lid was going to get blown off so the brass had no choice but to eat their own.

    • Jon

      It’s been going on for awhile. Command has begged, pleaded, and cajoled for people to get their act together. It’s not like they didn’t get plenty of warning. These are the guys who didn’t listen and thought that Trident was going to save them. This isn’t “eating their own”, it’s ejecting weak sisters.

      • grizzled1two

        Your right, that would be the most likely scenario. I’ve seen it first hand with these guys. Some of them do think they can hid behind that Trident and that they’re untouchable and they give the brass no other options but to debride them from the team. It all catches up to them in one way or another.

        • Jon

          “Debride” is really pretty apt…because that’s what’s going on. East coast, is apparently where the infection took root. Command is cutting it out with prejudice.

          • grizzled1two

            Most definitely.

  • maxtor51

    too bad they can’t conduct random drug screens on capital hill!! you would get a bunch of them on the first round!! these are the very people that send our military into harms way and i am sure a bunch of them has been under the influence while decisions have been made. i don’t like that….they should have random drug tests just as the people they send into harms way. just because they are congress/senate dont mean they are drug free…..you would be surprised how many use illicit drugs!!!

  • Tim Mussmann

    That is true fran. Also, don’t just throw them away like trash, get them fucking help. It’s when they decide they don’t need help is when you get rid of them.

  • Seeker

    First question I had was – were they unintentionally exposed to opium/drugs during a raid where flash-bang grenades were exploded, RPG’s going off, bullets hitting bags of dope, while raiding a terrorist hideout just outside a poppy growing operation in Afghanistan, which the CIA knows about but won’t destroy because they want the cooperation of some local war lord?

  • Harvey Wallbanger

    If he was serious, he’d just to hair tests on all of them and fire everyone who tested positive. Hair is much more accurate and catches longer term history. I’ve been reading about rampant corruption in the SEALS elsewhere. A culture of elite privilege has emerged, and it’s being seen in theft of moneys and property in war zones, as well as all kinds of behavior that would be considered insubordination in normal military units. I think we should get rid of these special units and rely on Rangers, Green Berets and MARSOC marines for these kinds of missions. There is nothing the SEALs do that they can’t do, and frankly, they are usually better all around soldiers. They are also cheaper…We spend a mint on DevGru and I’m just not sure we are getting our money’s worth.

    A quick example. While the raid on Bin Laden was certainly cool, it was unnecessary. We could have just gone in with bombs and gun ships and vaporized the entire compound, and then landed briefly for onsite damage assessment, with massive air cover to keep the Pakis away till we were done. No need for stealth helicopters and prima donna operators to shoot a couple of Hajis with night vision gear on, sorry. That raid was showing off.

    • Jon

      All the SpecOps units have issues, it’s a cyclical thing. They get a loose leash, they get big heads, they get lots of opportunities for bad behavior, certain members take advantage of it. It’s ignored till it gets wildly out of control. Then they clamp down and bust heads. Rinse and repeat. SEALs have had on-going issues for years.

      • Harvey Wallbanger

        But I think the SEALs have really gone way beyond all that. Sure, the Green Berets have isolated incidents but I’m also looking at it from a spending and efficiency POV. I’m sorry, I don’t need dozens of different SpecOps teams. MarSoc, Rangers, Green Berets and Air Force PJs – you tell me, what on earth do they need more help? Tell me a mission those guys couldn’t prepare for and execute? Why do we need to spend, spend, spend on so much overlapping capability in the military? And I ask this as a conservative.

        • Jon

          Basically, because each of the services are competing for a piece of the SpecOps pie monies and to remain relevant. Besides, SpecOps get all the nice toys. Who can resist nifty, neat, cool-guy stuff?

          That said, each of them basically have different specialties/mission sets they emphasize.
          – PJs, self-explanatory.
          – SF, small unit DA/training/FID.
          – Rangers, elite light infantry.
          – MarSoc, anything anyone else can do, without the prima donna baggage.
          – SEALs, look good in the gym, swim good except when they all drown like rats on ops.

          Yes, it overlaps to varying degrees, and they’re all constantly trying to cut in on each others turf, but no one can be good at everything. Each of them, is the “best” at something. The rest can sing the tune if they need too, but not dance to it.

          Yes, the SEALs seem to have really slid over the edge this time. Theft, murder, drugs, and their love for the bright lights. They’ll get over it if they’re willing to bust enough heads, and crush enough nuts.

  • philoise65

    We should adopt this policy towards US House and Senate.

  • Screwtape

    FWIW addendum to my earlier 2 comments about 13 hours ago. . .

    I now recall something from not very long before 1990, when I retired as a USAF fighter pilot.

    Our deployment wizards figured out a “downer pill” followed hours later by an “upper pill” would be useful to evade the circadian problem through time zones.

    If I recall correctly, the downer was Ambien AKA Zolpidem, or the equivalent back then.

    I also recall thinking it was a foolhardy idea, and wondered how this too-clever-by-half notion passed muster then.

    Is anything like that still going on? What operational experience resulted?

    I would think all the servives would have adopted much the same policy. That is, a single service policy which included a subsequent airplane wreck would also end careers galore.

  • Mack

    Ten enlisted men court-martialed. And officers? Hospitalized with “very bad colds?”

  • Jason King

    Maybe we should increase the military budget.

    • Secundius

      Which part? Material or Personnel…

      • Jason King

        I don’t know but isn’t that always the answer?

        • HenryL

          Its always the answer (Increasing the budget) for non-military government operations and especially teachers. I don’t like the tone of your comment, though.

  • amuncat

    You get so far out there that you create your own rules. In addition, the level of stress that these guys are probably under makes this not at all surprising….

  • AW

    I wish they do a drug test on Don-the-Con. No way he’s not f*king high by his actions and Tweets!

  • TennesseeRedDog

    Assuming these are valid results, are they just getting high or are they overworked and using to remain combat effective?

  • dzobels

    Any documentary about SEAL training makes it painfully clear what it takes to earn that trident. Continuous demonstration of that fitness is required and documented, and there is more to that than a simple physical. SEALs have a burdensome and prestigious calling. These ten men would know how much they were risking to get loaded. That they took that risk demonstrates they were not frivolous dabblers in the drug culture. They were, and probably still are, addicts. These are not unfortunate sailors hooked on prescription narcotics after injury. Don’t feel sorry for them. No change in their addiction is possible without first paying a high price. This may save some of their lives.

  • Clyde Nicholas

    Considering all the deployments these men have been through, they should be rehabbed and given another chance.All that experience down the drain for a rigid regulation. These men deserve better than just kicking them out with no support after all they’ve done for this nation. It’s no wonder that the veteran suicide rate is so high.

  • Aunt Nan

    And its come to this?

  • Adrian Z.

    I feel as though the Navy Seals do far worse than that, not out of their own choice though. Who knows with darpa? Experimental drugs since before MK Ultra have always been used through trial and error until they can find that perfect enhancement drug. Wouldn’t be surprised if that was really the case.

  • amagi

    We need to drug test all public sector workers as well including congress.

    • Jack_Kennedy

      BOOOOOOOIOOOOOOM !!!!

  • 3494

    IF this story is true, it is a very sad day for the Navy and those of us who believe SEALS and other special warfare operators are the best.

    • Jack_Kennedy

      They ARE the best ….. combat requires you do what you gotta do at times ….. and the remfs are always there to screw you when they get the chance

  • infidelphia

    too much left out of this article to draw a conclusion. it would have been great if the writer asked the Navy how much it cost to fully fund, continually train, educate and equip a single SEAL with world-class weaponry and technology in order to operate in a special warfare environment on a global scale… Multiply by 10 to see how much taxpayer money just went over the side. . .context is everything, gentlemen.

  • SSgt. J D. Herrington

    Real good guys, what happened to your E&E training? Why is this news? It’s in all branches and has been for decades.

  • FREECHEESE

    It comes down to the quality of men today! And that manly quality is slipping away fast. I’m terrified at the future and quality of our armed forces. I never thought I would ever say those words having served 13 yrs on active duty in War and Peace!

  • IHiJump

    Thanks Obama

  • Mike Oconnell

    Sad day in and for swu.

  • Mike Oconnell

    However I have no clue what these elites have to handle. I was in sar unit when military started drug testing and were somewhat protected for the first six months as our skipper did not not like the idea of good men getting the boot over the known failure rate. The first test got 4 guys in our unit, three enlisted and one officer, all were removed from service and to this day i would swear that three of them never had touched any drugs. I lived with them,flew with them. No drugs involved.

  • UtopianPlan

    Over the years I’ve read about horrific things……but for me anyway….reading that 10 SEALs were busted for drugs…….my heart has sank and a new low of lows has now set it. Our very best, are tainted. Sad day for me, sad day for America.

    ** NOT FAKE NEWS…it’s all over the web

  • albertG

    For all the money and all their years of training and experience , you’d think that (assuming the tests are accurate) the men would be offered some medical support or program to address the issue and if they were able to get that over with and continue to be tested the navy would be better served.

  • Chainsaw McGerk

    Served in a tactical Army intel unit, everyone was highly-cleared except for the Headquarters Company people. We were tested frequently and I only saw two people caught peeing hot…and one was a false positive. I can not believe that 11 of the most highly-disciplined service men we have would do such a thing. Who did the testing? A civilian employee male nurse named “Mohammed”, perhaps??

  • Richard

    Dishonorably discharge

  • wenusberg

    Troll alert on this thread.

  • davidwindeisel

    Several years ago a friend of mine, former Seal, told me that cocaine was pervasive within the Seal community. He was upset that he’d been retired, and we were drinking, so I thought he was just trash talking. Hmm

  • bigcatdaddy76016

    Did they get the job done?….nuff said…..not all testing is accurate…flawed test materials and inept personel giving the tests.

  • Semper Fortis

    NO doubt.
    there are SOME SEALS that are SCUMBAGS! fact. the bar for SPECFOR was lowered after 9/11.
    MANY that shouldn’t be in uniform are given the biggest honor.

  • Decline of a Nation

    While I have belief in zero excuses for illegal drug use, I humbly recommend that the Navy look at what has been invested in these exceptional individuals and consider retaining them AFTER drug counseling, reduction in rank and other tools to rehabilitate some of these individuals. I suspect optempo and the stress of the job led to this drug abuse as the government has leaned very heavily on the special ops community to achieve national objectives. I have observed that when you give a unachievable goal to nearly anyone, they’ll cheat to achieve the goal. After such counseling, and if anyone fails to rehabilitate themselves then separation should be the next step, not the first… Of course depending on the totallity of the situation. Regardless, I hope that the Navy just doesn’t cut bait on them and send them out without any attempt to stop their drug abuse. The horrors of war and optempo they have seen should be a consideration in helping them STOP using illegal drugs. I pray that they will be able to stop and not self medicate in the future.

  • Jason

    Did someone spike the punch bowl?

  • Humungus Humungus

    I was in U.S. army , I did speed and various other substances, to stay awake, and get the job done, I will not mention my units or where I was stationed, I truly can say about 80% of my fellow soldiers in my unit did it. It was brought in to the barracks every payday, getting it was no problem at all. We had sporadic surprise drug tests, I was surprised that I never failed it, or did I? The powers to be had to know 80% of the units tested positive. It was strength in numbers, they can’t lock up everyone, who is going to fight the next war? It had to be kept quiet. Wrong or right. These guys should go to treatment , no way they should be thrown out.

  • breeky

    Could the drugs used be anabolic steroids?

  • beefrank

    Wait and see before jumping to conclusions.

  • NoMoreMrNiceGuy

    OpTempo.

  • G Richard Grayum

    B.S., check the approved medication given prior to any hot assignment.

  • Rich Eagleton

    Hey momma, your Navy Seal son is coming home!!!!

  • Billy Black

    I’m a Vet/Combat Vet and no one is more supportive of the military than I. But I have a strong feeling that these Special Forces outfits have been given to long a leach. They’ve gotten to the point where they think they can do as they please without proper supervision. I do not relish the fact that I have to say these things. I don’t like putting the bad mouth on the military but I believe these are the facts.

    • Otis

      Home Depot is hiring….PHUCK THEM

  • ShowDL

    Drugs are wack…

  • If your training exceeds 500k, i think you’re worth giving some leeway on smoking pot. I imagine most NSW dudes all have tinnitus and pretty bad TBI’s after a couple years in operation. I personally didn’t get my tinnitus under control until I moved to a state where CBD is legal and started doing that, and I also stopped taking all the bullshit meds the VA gives you like candy.

  • mm

    If the trooper pulls you over and smells weed then it’s pee or blood test. They test for coke too. If it’s in your blood then it’s a felony possession charge and profit prison time. These guys just get fired? The drug war is a sham. If you are a tv star you get treatment. The rest of us get fked. Iran Contra was the CIA bringing coke to the USA. Rick Ross made a million a day from CIA supplied crack. The Afghan invasion after 911 was about poppy. Just say no in the 80s was about introducing heroin back to the US. I remember when Afghan weed first hit the streets after the first Afghan war in the 80s. I remember when Joe Biden led the effort to make possession a felony in 1990 and they started filling up the prisons. I remember when they started jailing people for conspiracy in the 90 s just for knowing someone dealing drugs. Scam.

  • Joe Mommar

    Back in WW2 we used to give our troops Amphetamines to keep em awake. I’m ok with jacked up wide awake crazie mofos keeping us safe. Our enemies are all jacked up on khat. Those guys go on mutiple deploments with no rest. Rate her have them doing coke and meth than joining Antifa and becoming pantie wearing cog holsters

    • GoldFingered

      good point. they gave pilots meth… that’s where it came from.

    • Secundius

      Actually the United States is a Latecomer in the Dosing of United States Military! “Benzedrine” was introduced into the US Military in 1934…

  • John Brown

    I’m not for casual drug use in the military, but these guys are asked to do so much with only so much time to do it, often time they don’t sleep 36 or more hours at a time, yet still are required to be supermen. Heck we give pilots “Go” and “No-Go” pills, I don’t see why a member in the field can’t take something to at least keep them awake to save their lives, in a controlled manner.

  • magic3400

    They know the rules, they know the risk…do drugs and get caught you have to go.

    I took my first drug test in 1981 (at 16 year old) and between civilian and the military, I’ve taken at least 50 tests and have NEVER had a positive test. So they can cry me a river…I took the same test they took, I just didn’t have the same risks BECAUSE I DIDN’T USE DRUGS.

  • Madvet

    We know pot makes you swim fast, just look at Michael Phelps….

  • Steve Coldrick

    You will only take the drugs we administer!

  • Steve Coldrick

    The Queen’s horses and prison wardens have tested positive after eating seeds and seeded bread.

    • Jon

      Old news. Military pee testing parameters are set high enough poppy seeds won’t register a false positive.

      • Steve Coldrick

        I’m sure you’re correct. I just thought both instances were very funny at the time. I guess I still do. I remember them both. LOL

        • Secundius

          Several years ago there was a Natural Rope Cordage Company, where some of the Workers “Chewed” on Rope Cordage Fibers. Which gave a “False-Positive” for Marijuana usage…

  • Screwtape

    One of the hazards of military service, all branches, is that we are likely to put too much stock in the few anecdotal outliers we experience over the course of a long career.

    The policies, standards, and procedures are so strict as to evoke amazement, and a permanent slot in our memory bank, when any one of them is violated.

    The cases I recall from my USAF career, 1970-90, are as scarce as hens teeth, but a few were scattered through 20 years on a somewhat regular basis.

    The drug issue went big, real time, in the 70s with testing galore, “infallible” but failed lab procedures one after another, each followed by a new “infallible” one.

    Still, there was only one, single pilot I personally knew who got snared as drug positive and way off the charts. They sent him to a hospital in San Antonio kept him under 24/7 observation for weeks. . . until his body would have long eliminated any detectable substance. Then they tested him yet again, and he was still way off the charts.

    So it was a defective test, for sure, and it got debunked. And he came home fully cleared, but my recollection is there was always a lingering cloud there.

  • portangeles1

    not at all. just a strange reaction to any stimulant, even caffeine and sugar. artificial sweetners make me physically sick. Years ago doctors knew the cause but were unable to change anything, so i was advised that if it didn’t affect my daily life then there was no need for concern at all. If your comment of which I referenced had listed coffee in stead of meth, my response would have been the same. .

  • Todavia enohado

    Id give them all the benefit of the doubt based on their sacrifice and service. Are these meds ever prescribed for use on a mission? I knew the wife of a Vietnam era Long Range recon patrol member who said he was up on methamphetamines the entire duration of the patrol, i.e. days on end. Were they undercover with the cartels and required to use in order to protect their cover. Is the test giving a false positive result from another drug/med. I would like all the facts before we throw these guys under the bus.

  • Just Bill

    Investigate this as nothing fits. This stinks and they were set up.

  • Shannon L. Mcrandle

    I’ve read all these comments of disbelief. I live where this happened. And it DID happen. SEALS are held to a higher standard bc of the sesitive nature of their jobs, the high security clearances and the dangerous training they go through daily. They need to bring their A game every day. Just because acman is a SEAL, does not make him mre than a man. Unfortunately, he still has the same weaknesses and problems as a regular man, but he cannot succomb to these. If a SEAL has a substance abuse problem and goes to his command about it, he is given the help he needs then gets put back to work. These men did not do that. It went on for some time before they were caught and they used old school methods to cheat the drug tests. This shows their stupidity and lack of commitment to their brothers in arms and our country. They no longer have the right to wear a trident. The Navy and Teams take this beyond seriously and the superior officers and command CMCs made certain a thurough investigation was done and the men received every possible chance to defend themselves and actions. It’s not taken lightly as our government spends millions of dollars to train these men. What if one of them had used cocaine and went into a mission high? They could have killed their entire platoon of teammates. Their training should make them more capable of resisting this sort of temptation. And once again, any SEAL that has a substance abuse problem and comes forward, will get the help he needs without losing his job. This story is one hundred per cent accurate.

  • Shannon L. Mcrandle

    Look up the Navy SEAL Ethos.

  • bgf

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again … seals are way overrated … in general, they are no more than fit cops with low IQ’s … most end up committing crimes after their service days are over because they have no relavent skills