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Russian Black Sea Fleet Gets First New Frigate Since Cold War

Russian Admiral Grigorovich frigate. Sputnik Photo

Russian Admiral Grigorovich frigate. Sputnik Photo

The first in a new class of Russian guided missile frigate arrived on Thursday to Sevastopol marking the first time the Black Sea Fleet has seen a new blue water warship since the end of the Cold War.

The Project 11356-class Admiral Grigorovich arrived in Crimea, the first of several new surface ships the Russian Navy intends to base in the Black Sea.

“This is the first vessel for distant water operation, which the Black Sea Fleet has received over the past 35 years,” fleet spokesman Vyacheslav Trukhachyov told the TASS news service.

The 4,000-ton frigate delivered to the Russian Navy in March and is the first of a planned class of six based in the Black Sea.

Based Talwar-class frigates that Russia built for the Indian Navy between 2000 and 2013, the Grigorovich frigates are built as a multi-mission surface combatant and can handle submarine, air and surface threats, according to information from the Russian defense ministry.

The frigates also field the Russian Kalibir NK long range land attack cruise missiles – first used operationally last year from Russian Navy ships in the Caspian Sea to strike targets in Syria.

The ship’s arrival is part of a planned $2.43 billion expansion of the Black Sea Fleet, announced in 2014.

Eric Wertheim, naval analyst and author of U.S. Naval Institute’s Combat Fleets of the World, told USNI News on Thursday the frigate’s arrival in Crimea was a win for the Russian Navy.

“This shows that Russia’s plans to modernize its naval forces are starting to pay dividends,” he said.
“This also helps their forces to achieve a better balance among their fleets and to project power where needed.”

Prior to the new frigate, the Black Sea Fleet was populated by mostly 1980s era surface combatants and newer but smaller patrol craft. The new push to refresh its surface forces might be difficult to sustain.

For instance, since Russia invaded Crimea, Ukraine has refused to supply maritime gas turbines for new Russian surface ship construction. Russian ship builders have also been plagued by construction delays.

“The long term question remains one of sustainability. Can their forces maintain this level of modernization and increased operations and capability in the decades ahead? It will take years to get an accurate answer,” Wertheim said.
“For the short term, Russia remains serious about enhancing their naval and military forces.”

 

 

 

 

 

  • Ed L

    That is one beautiful warship. Shame the Russians refer to their ship as he. That is something only a real sailor can appreciate. He has all (in my opinion) the looks of a proper frigate

  • JohnQTaxPayer66

    Oh look what Navy got a real frigate. All we got was a lousy LCS the Navy is going to play make believe that it’s an FFG. Kinda like taking the fat chick to the prom no?

    • DaSaint

      Are we really excited at this 1 frigate? Say what you want about the LCS, but this doesn’t survive a CBG encounter any more than an LCS survives the Chinese coastline.

      • JohnQTaxPayer66

        You confuse excited with sad.

        • DaSaint

          Understood. But don’t despair, in a few short years the LCS will have SSMs strapped to its decks. Fixed. Like magic. Smh.

    • Danny Lewis

      Yeah, but when you’re trying out your moves on the pretty girl at the prom, and getting nowhere, the guy with the fat girl is scoring big time.

  • RobM1981

    Yes, but I bet the Russian ship would be a disaster if it had to fight close to shore. I mean, we all know in our bones that anything over 3,500 tons is useless in the littorals, right? WE have a “littoral combat ship…” Who NEEDS a frigate when you have a littoral combat ship?

    Once again the Russians show their lack of wisdom by building a conventional 4,000 ton hull, crammed with weapons and sensors. Obviously they haven’t learned how to build TWO DIFFERENT hulls, each crammed with mechanical difficulties and promises that “someday we can put something here, if we need to.”

    The US “Frigate” ships Hellfire’s.
    The Russian Frigate ships Oniks.

    ’nuff said.

    • JohnQTaxPayer66

      Who is dumb enough to fight close to shore. That was so 2002.

  • Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo

    Nice ship…. brimming with weapons too.

    • Danny Lewis

      That pretty ship brimming with weapons is only as good as the crew who mans him. Russians call ships by the male conotation.

      • Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo

        I’m sure their crew is competent enough.

        • Danny Lewis

          Would you bet your own life on that statement of their competence?

  • ULISES VELEZ

    THE RETURN OF THE RUSSIAN NAVY INTO THE 21ST. CENTURY. WITH MORE MODERN WARSHIP.

    • Danny Lewis

      Yup, a more modern “single warship”. Considering it took almost 30 years for this one, I wonder how long it will take for the next one to appear?

  • Danny Lewis

    There’s no telling how long this ship/boat, has been sitting in the shipyard waiting to be completed. Since the Russians aren’t getting the engines from the Ukraine, one has to ask where did they get them and how reliable are they? One ship will not make any difference, they will need quite a few of them in order to do so. It looks like it’s going to be some time before they can.

    • redgriffin

      Well Pakistan does have some Type 21’s they got from the Brits.

      • Danny Lewis

        Do you really think the Pakistanis are going to give up engines they may need? Plus any spare parts may have to come from Great Brjtain. If so, I’ll bet the Pakistanis got a pretty hefty price for them.

        • redgriffin

          They don’t need the engines if they have retired the ship now do they.

        • Secundius

          BOTH sets of Marine Gas Turbines, have been Commercially Available for at Least 30-years…

          • Danny Lewis

            There’s a big difference between commercial and military grade hardware.

          • Secundius

            Putin’s NOT About using “Commercial Grade” if that’s the ONLY Means to Power His Ship’s. And Russia has been Known to Mil-Spec. Commercially Built Equipment…

          • Danny Lewis

            Yup, and the Russians also have a history of building kludge. Why do you think they are always trying to steal western technology, especially ours. Their metallurgy is way behind ours.
            All you have to do is read up on the way they fought during WW 2. Their tanks were very crude. They just built a ton of them and literally overwhelmed the Germans with mass attacks. They aren’t overwhelming any on the sea, since what they do have is old and not up to today’s standards. Look how long it took them to make this Frigate operational. First one since the fall of the Sobiet Union.

      • Sons of Liberty

        India deployed the first in class ships. Which allow the Russians to let them have the teething problems with hull. As I recall India required tech transfer and wouldn’t be surprised if Russia can source propulsion spares if required from India. Though more disturbing is Russia focusing on their domestic turbine moderation so as to limit the exposure in the future.

        Given forgein sales this ship has already enjoyed and Indias success with their Frigates. If Russia can produce the Turbine they can retain more of he hard dollars from future sales.

    • Sons of Liberty

      They received the order in 2010 laid the keel December 2010 and floated her March of 2014. As for the Ukrainian Turbines, Russia received three ships worth of turbines. So of the order of six ships the first three have propulsion. The issue is the remaining three hull. Russia looked to have Saturn a Russian firm build them but they can’t fulfill the order till 2019-2020.

      So Russia is looking to sell the next three ships most likely to India. Which I shows some thinking. Instead of letting the hulls sit, they can redirect the money to other systems and schedule production to be timed with the new domestic Turbines.

      • Secundius

        There’s a Possibility the Russians might Get Chinese Copies of the Ukrainian Marine Gas Turbines. In return the Chinese are to get Russian Designs for Future Weapon Systems. Nothing Final, as yet. But Putin is Really Hurting in Both Experience Manpower Shortages and Fielding New Equipment. Forty of the 52 Sukoi T-50’s were Cancelled because of Cost. And at Least One Tu-95M was Lost due to Crew Error. Crew were a Transport Crew, and NOT a Bomber Crew…

        • Putin

          The T-50s were delayed, not cancelled, and not because of cost: there is little confidence in Sukhoi’s capability to produce 50+ reliable aircraft of this type. The first 12 are intended for operational testing. Officially, that’s to decide how many and what modifications to purchase later. In reality, that’s probably to free funds for modernizing Su-27 derivatives.
          One Tu-95M was lost (not “at least one”), due to simultaneous failure of three engines in flight. What could the crew have done ? They were in training, so where do you get that they were a transport crew ?

          • Secundius

            They WERE Trained Transport Aircraft Crew, NOT a Trained to FLY a Bomber. They SIMPLY Didn’t Know How To Fly the Plane. I’m SURPRISED that they were EVEN able to get it off the Ground…

          • Putin

            They were a bomber crew in training. Of course they didn’t know how to fly the plane, they were learning to. But you didn’t answer my questions: where did you read they were trained on transports, and how were they supposed to recover from 3 out of 4 engines catching fire ?

          • Secundius

            Unless the Russian Federation Air Force is INTO “On the Job Training”, WHERE WERE the Flight Instructors on the Training Flight. They WEREN’T AMONGST the DEAD CREW…

          • Putin

            Only two of the seven-person crew died, I don’t know if either of the dead were instructors. Depending on how far into the training process they were, there may indeed not have been any instructors on board.

  • Secundius

    “False Flag or False Colors”? NPO Saturn of Russian, Gas Turbines in the Admiral Grigorovich class Frigate. Instead of Ukrainian Manufactured Zorya-Mashproekt Marine Gas Turbines. A “One-Finger” Salute or a Disaster in the Making. NPO Saturn, has VERY LITTLE Knowledge in Making Marine-Grade Gas Turbines. We’ll Have To See How This Game Is Played, and Whether It’s Pot Luck or BUST…

    • Ed L

      Rather have one of there’s instead of 5 LCS’s. He made it there under his own power. He is one powerful warship. Bet in close quarters (less than 5 nautical miles) He could win against a Burke.

      • Secundius

        Depends on the Gas Turbines? Like the Soviet May 1 1954 Parade. Is it Functional (Just enough Power to Propel the Ship) or Something to FEAR? Like the Myasishchen M-4 Molot Bomber, Fully Functional or a Ghost Plane. Like a “Three-Card Monte” ARE YOU “SEEING” what your Looking At, or Are You Being SHOWN what THEY (Putin) Want’s You Too See…

        • Ed L

          At least the Russians are trying to build a proper frigate

          • Secundius

            If you Put the EITHER of the LCS classes Plans for Sale on the Open Market. Putin WOULDN’t Hesitate for a New York Second to Buy Them. Considering the Economy of Russia, as Compared to US (the USA). He can Produce Them FAR CHEAPER and EVEN More of them…

          • Ed L

            The Russians most likey already have the blueprints/drawing, etc. of both LCS’s. which I bet they got from the Chinese.

          • Secundius

            There’s a Good Chance, that the Marine Gas Turbines are Chinese Copies of the Ukrainian Zorya-Mashproekt Marine Gas Turbines. Rumors are that the Russians had to Turn Over THEIR Design “Play-Book” to get the Engines in Question…

          • Sons of Liberty

            Yes and tells you all you need to know that neither nation has bothered to copy them.

          • Sons of Liberty

            Looks like they have. Just look at the sensors arrays. The volume and search radars vertically separated with the search radar top mounted. So little interference and full 360 view for the S-Band EASA plus 3 layer air defense. If they can network this it pushes out their A2D2 and even provide ABM to their new S500 system. Looks like they built this as a floating S400 system.

  • John B. Morgen

    It is a clean designed warship, but it needs further study. I suspect more information will be coming out from Janes’ Information Group about this class… However, the Russians should have classify it as a sloop, and [not] as a frigate.

    • Secundius

      Probably more like a “Morrigan” (Heavy Sloop)…

      • John B. Morgen

        I would classify it as a 1st class or 1st rate sloop.

        • Vlad Pufagtinenko

          1st rate slop?

          • John B. Morgen

            That’s right comrade…..

          • Secundius

            The “Stalin Plan”, Quantity over Quality…

        • Secundius

          Armament of a 18th Century “Morrigan” consisted for the following:
          2 to 4, 32-pound Carronades
          up to 2, 13-inch Coastal Mortars
          12 to 34, 18 to 24-pounders
          up to 4, Puckle Guns (18th century Machine Guns)
          and a Steel Ram mount to the Bow…

          • John B. Morgen

            This class was good for shore bombardment missions.

          • Secundius

            NO Known Actual 18th Century Navy Actually Used them “Officially”, But Unofficially/Privately they were used by “Privateers”…

  • Donald Carey

    I must say it is better looking than our latest efforts. Hopefully, beauty is only skin deep (sadly, it seems our LCS designs are ugly clean to the bone).

    • Sons of Liberty

      Sadly beauty is in its capabilities.

      The LCS is a victim of being oversold and is and never was designed to be a Frigate. We need to understand it for what it is and what it is not.

  • sinisterfalcon007

    This is a damn powerful warship, ask Indian navy & they will tell u how good the ship is after all they are using Talwar class of ships for more then a decade & this ship is a derivative of talwar class & it is very reliable & hugely potent because it carries 2 4 cell VLS brahmos missile & 16 cell barak 1 SAM which can be retrofitted to carry Barak 8 quite easily & also carries an ASW helicopter & 6 522mm torpedo tubes.

    • Sons of Liberty

      It’s impressive. The Indians seem to love them. This is what a Frigate can and should be. I could see it in the US. As part of a surface warfare group of 3 LCS and 1 Frigate handling ASW, and mine clearing duties, special warfare ops.

      Amazing how it would free up our DDG for other duties given it not only has good ASW but layered AAW and surface/land warfare capabilities.

    • DWinslow

      Don’t forget a 100mm gun and two CIWS with missiles and 30mm cannons with a firing rate of 10,000 rpm.

      • Secundius

        Twin AO-18KD Dirk-M 30mm Rotary Cannons rated at 5,000rpm each. One “Slight Problem Though”, Each Gun Magazine will ONLY Handle 500-rounds and takes ~20-minutes by a Well Trained Crew to Swap-Out EACH Magazine…

  • Bad Penguin

    The average age of a Russian Black Sea naval vessel is close to 40 years old. This one ship could probably take out the rest of the fleet by itsself.

  • mike

    Nice looking ship. It would be foolish to discount the capabilities of the Russian military.

  • Chesapeakeguy

    “The ship’s arrival is part of a planned $2.43 billion expansion of the Black Sea Fleet, announced in 2014.”

    Wow. That would mean up to two whole US Navy ships. Well, maybe…LOL..