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VIDEO: CNO Announces Operational Pause, Investigation Following USS John McCain Collision

The following is an Aug. 21, 2017 video and partial transcript of a release by Chief of Naval Operations Adm. John Richardson announcing a fleet-wide operational pause and investigation into Navy operations around Japan.

Like you I was devastated and heartbroken to hear about the collision off John McCain off of Singapore.

Adm. Swift, commander of Pacific Fleet is in route to take charge to make sure they have all of the assistance they need.

As you know, this is the second collision in three months and the [latest] of a series of incidents in the Pacific theater. This trend demands more forceful action. As such, I’ve directed an operational pause be taken in all of our fleets around the world.

I want our fleet commander to get together with their leaders and their commands to ensure that we’re taking all appropriate to ensure safe and effective operations around the world.

In addition to that operational pause, I’ve directed a more comprehensive review to ensure that we get at the contributing factors – the root causes – of these incidents.

This review is in addition of the investigations that are looking into the collisions of the USS Fitzgerald and now the USS John McCain. I’ve asked Adm. Phil Davidson, commander, U.S. Fleet Forces Command, to take charge of that investigation and we will examine the process by which we train and certify our forces that are forward deployed in Japan to make sure that we’re doing everything we can to make sure they’re ready for operations and warfighting.
This will include – but not be limited to – looking at operational tempo, trends in personnel, material, maintenance and equipment. It will also include a review of how we train and certify our surface warfare community, including tactical and navigational proficiency.

Now I want to make as many resources across the Navy available to Adm. Davidson to conduct this review. That will include the Naval Inspector General, the Naval Safety Center and others. I want this to be a broad and diverse team – including officers and enlisted from across the Navy and also people outside the Navy, the other services and the private sector.

I want this team to be as diverse as they can be so we don’t miss anything in our review.

This review will be on a very tight timeline. I want to get frequent updates. This requires urgent action. We need to get to it and take corrective action.

Finally, I will be getting updates throughout and will be keeping our leadership informed.

In closing, our thoughts and prayers go out to the families of USS John McCain and USS Fitzgerald. We need to get to the bottom of this, so let’s get to it.

  • George Heacock

    I just don’t understand how this happens. When I was on the Destroyer USS Meredith in 60/61 we stood watch on both Port and Starboard sides and reported to the Officer of the watch when we saw something. In addition to the watches and radar and sonar and in today’s Navy probably something more sophisticated, it has to be negligence or our Ships are being targeted?

    • D. Jones

      8 years of cashiering competent officers. What is left are politicians who excel at incorporating diverse into every directive. More money is spent on studies that result in elimination of urinals than fundamentals. Mattis should can the lot. Get the guys back who put excellence in operations before PC. Look at the historical numbers of collisions with merchant shipping. This is a very recent problem. This is a systemic problem.

      • Duane

        Please state your data that prove that the previous 8 years the Navy spent its efforts “cashiering competent officers”. That’s a ridiculous charge and you have nothing to back it up with.

        • D. Jones

          Here’s one to start with:
          How the president’s cleansing campaign will handicap the armed forces long after he’s gone.
          November 7, 2013

          “Although few with military ties are willing to say it openly, it seems the administration is leading an orchestrated effort to seriously undermine the readiness of the military. Some reports indicate that Obama has purged 197 senior military officers since moving into the White House and that many of the retired officers have been harassed at their new civilian jobs for criticizing the president’s policies. The effects of these purges will be felt long after Obama leaves office.

          This is, of course, the same through-the-looking-glass administration that goes out of its way not to label actual Islamic terrorists as terrorists, that calls terrorist attacks “man-caused disasters,” and refers to the Global War on Terror as the “Overseas Contingency Operation.”


          Lieutenant colonel’s career in shambles after Muslim groups complain
          Published: 10/24/2012 at 8:48 PM

          “Military brass already under fire for embracing President Obama’s repeal of ‘Don’t Ask Don’t Tell’ and lashing out at an anti-Islamic filmmaker is now facing more heat for targeting a highly decorated officer for teaching an approved class on radical Islam.

          Lt. Col. Matthew Dooley is a 1994 graduate of the U.S. Military Academy and has received commendations for exemplary service over nearly 20 years of service.

          However, Dooley’s career is now in shambles because he was fired from his teaching position with the Joint Forces Staff College at National Defense University and received a negative officer evaluation report. His offense was teaching a course on radical Islam that was approved by the military years earlier, but the attitude changed when Muslim groups complained about the class.

          “It was a course that had been going on at the National Defense University since 2004,” Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel at the Thomas More Law Center in Michigan, told WND. “His superiors knew what the course was all about. The first time they evaluated him … as an instructor there, they rated him outstanding, indicated that he should be moved as quickly as possible to a command position…”

          Lots lots more.

          People were predicting this years ago.

          Problems coming home to roost.

          • Duane

            That’s not data. That’s an opinion piece.

            Show me DATA. The world, the internet, and the media are chock full of opinions. DATA are determinative.

            Your source is the Thomas More Law Center – a far right wing, Christian conservative activist organization. They detest everything that the prior administration did and stood for. They are as reliable on matters of military adminstration as Donald Trump is at adminstering the office of POTUS – that is, not at all.

          • D. Jones

            I just picked the first hit. There are hundreds. And so what if it’s some “right wing site”? You’re seriously expecting CNN or MSNBC or WaPo to pen anything negative about BO? If you actually knew people in service in AFG who got pink slips while back here snowflakes were being promoted…

            He fired Mattis while at CENTCOM without so much as a phone call.

          • Duane

            Yeah, and you can go on Google and search for “Obama not born in Hawaii” and get ten billion hits .. but everybody knows that’s total BS.

            Google hits are not DATA.

          • D. Jones

            Obama’s birth has zero to do with this.

            The FACT that he fired a guy with credentials like Mattis speaks volumes.

            You don’t get rid of people with exceptional qualifications unless you’ve got some other agenda.

          • John Locke

            what was the agenda?

            Facts please

          • muzzleloader

            Duane, what is it with you and your mental tripwire when it comes to Obama? Whenever anyone comes near criticizing him, you have lightning speed to defend him. Why is that? And why whenever anyone brings up salient points that come near being critical of Obama, you totally ignore the points made. Why is that? And don’t go throwing your “Trumpist” meme at us. Trump had nothing to do with what has occurred here because he was not the Prez for the last 8 years. Furthermore if any of the other candidates had won the presidency, we would still be asking these questions. If getting answers means taking a hard look at how the Navy as well as the entire military has been stewarded the past 8 years, ( which a lot of people are) then so be it.

          • Duane

            I object to politicizing military performance, and don’t give a rat’s patootie about Obama. Sorry to burst your extreme right wing bubble, but Obama did not con ships, he did not pilot airplanes, he did not fire M-4s at jihadis. Neither does Trump. Neither did George W. Bush, or Bill Clinton, or any of our presidents while in office.

            The Admirals and Generals are responsible for administration of the armed forces, while answering to the orders of the Commander in Chief, and operating within the legal and fiscal requirements set down by Congress.

            And like all extremist right wingers, you assume that anybody that doesn’t have their heads up your favorite crazy POTUS are Obama supporters. Not.

            I voted against Obama twice, And against your nutty snake oil salesman now shacked up in the White House.

            So now, let’s talk about what matters here, which is how the US Navy is going to fix this performance problem, as it must, and stow it with the stupid partisan/tribalistic politics and idiotic ideological rants. We actually have some professional issues to deal with, not fake drama.

          • I seem to remember a spate of command reliefs shortly after BHO became prez. Lack of confidence or some such bilge – not that they ever ran into anything (except political correctness). It was about one per week there for a while. A lot of Aegis skippers as I recall. Just sayin.

            How about Capt. Owen Paul Honors, Jr.?

          • Duane

            Sorry to burst your bubble, but Presidents don’t issue fitness reports for mid-grade officers.

          • Presidents set expectations for that nimrod Mabus to follow.

          • Duane

            SecNav also does not issue fitness reports for officers. Seniors issue fitness reports for officers reporting to them.

          • Are you really that dense?

          • Duane

            Are you really that ignorant of how the military works? Are you a currently serving member, or have you ever been?

          • If you were a regular here you would know that answer. I encourage you to keep reading – perhaps you will gain some wisdom.

          • Duane

            Navy vet, dude. I don’t need an internet forum to know how the Navy works. You didn’t answer my direct question so we have to assume you aren’t a vet.

          • muzzleloader

            So do you consider Christians far right wing?

          • Duane

            I don’t consider Christians anything based upon their religion, they come in all flavors and sizes, just like every other grouping in humanity.

          • John Locke

            LOL, was forwarded that piece of tripe several times by ardent Obama hate-mongers via the Brietbart/Infowars conduit. In addition to purging the military Obama was going to turn the country into a Communist state and declare martial law too!!

  • NavySubNuke

    Good. Hopefully they actually do a thorough look for the real root causes rather than just the easy ones.
    Oh and BZ to the CNO on using diversity correctly — “I want this team to be as diverse as they can be so we don’t miss anything in our review” — that is to say gathering a team of people with different viewpoints, training, and perspectives.
    Rather than the intellectually lazy and incorrect way way social justice warrior types use “diversity” to merely describe people with different skin tone or genitals.

    • D. Jones

      As “diverse” a group of “team players” that can be assembled. You can bet that no conclusion pointing a finger at the flag officers will ever be reached. Has any inquiry in history ever concluded, “we have found the problem and it is us”?

      Thanks to 8 years of Mabus, the best and brightest were sent packing. What remains is either lacking in qualifications or severely overloaded having to shoulder the duties of political right think commissions.

      The series of recent debacles has put the credibility of the Navy in question. If they can’t navigate safely in peacetime, how can they be expected to perform in conflict?

      How much time from training to do their fundamental jobs has been sapped by sensitivity and awareness training? Inclusion of such non-mission specific subjects detracts from the serious nature of all training.

      The problem is not with the indians. Its the chiefs running the show.

      • Duane


        Inquiries routinely point the finger at own organization. After which change occurs. When that doesn’t happen, change (and improvement) doesn’t happen.

        9.11.01 commission is a great example. It identified many failures by many organizations leading all the way to the White House, the intel communities, law enforcement, immigration and border security, aircraft design, airline security procedures, etc. We’ve had no similar aviation incidents like 9.11.01 since, though a great many jihadi terrorists tried to replicate 9.11.01.

        Virtually all the advances in aviation safety in the last 60 years occurred as the direct result of aviation accidents and subsequent transportation safety board investigations and public hearings .. everything from instituting nationwide and worldwide air traffic control systems, to improvements in design and maintenance of the aircraft, to improvements in pilot training, to improvements in airport design, improvements in first responder training and organization, even to improvements in tall building design.

        • D. Jones

          How many people were fired or prosecuted over grievous security lapses leading up to 9/11?


          Instead we got TSA security theatre and more bureacracy.

          How about Gorelick, who deliberately blocked information sharing that could have averted 9/11? Huh?

          Fitz and likely this will be human negligence. Not some part failure.

          • Duane

            Well, for one thing, virtually everyone in the Clinton adminstration that was at fault was gone by then, and Bush 43 people were barely in place by 9.11.01. Finding fault with individuals was not the objective of the 9.11.01 commission – finding and correcting systemic faults that allowed 9.11.01 to succeed was the principal objective. In that it was entirely successful, with the proof being not a single successful attack of that nature succeeding in the 16 years since.

        • El_Sid

          It’s also worth noting that aviation’s priority is making sure an accident doesn’t happen again, rather than taking “revenge” on or punishing those who are perceived to have caused the accident. You’re much more likely to get to the truth if people feel they can talk freely, without fear of comeback.

    • Duane

      Yes. The CNO stated exactly what he meant by “diverse team”.. This situation calls for calm and thoughtful approaches, not political and cultural chest beating.

      As CNO wrote:

      “Now I want to make as many resources across the Navy available to Adm. Davidson to conduct this review. That will include the Naval Inspector General, the Naval Safety Center and others. I want this to be a broad and diverse team – including officers and enlisted from across the Navy and also people outside the Navy, the other services and the private sector.”

      That’s exactly the type of diverse perspectives needed to evaluate whether or not systemic failures are root causes of the recent collisions.

      • NavySubNuke

        Was there a point to this statement or did you just want to repeat exactly what I said back to me as if it was some sort of revelation?

        • Duane

          Do you have a point?

          • NavySubNuke

            Yes, I had a point — which is why I made a statement.
            I was just trying to figure out if your statement had a point or not — did you even bother to read what I wrote?

          • Duane


            I agreed with your point, and provided an explicit quote from the CNO and my own statement of support for what he’s doing. Other commenters took a different tack, that doing such diverse reviews is just practicing PC.

            You sure spend a lot of effort here arguing with someone who agrees with you.

            Have you now appointed yourself the Moderator of this page, regulating the content of comments? Or maybe you just love to argue, period.

  • CharleyA

    Yawn. Safety Stand Down. Pretty much expected PR. This is what the upper flag ranks consider action. How about analyzing if our destroyers are properly equipped and manned for operations in littoral waters that are crowded with commercial and fishing vessels? Should we be at least be using passive AIS when transiting these areas (I cannot imagine that were not, but with these two recent events….?) Is there a dedicated watch-stander for the navigation radar in these scenarios? How about a simple FLIR ball? These are billion dollar warships that cannot seem to find their way out of the way of lumbering container ships and tankers. I fear Big Navy is once again going to assess blame on the ship drivers – but then that brings up the question is Big Navy hiring the right type of person to become COs?

    • Duane

      Your cynicism is not appreciated.

    • Austin

      Cynicism happens for the reasons that it does. It is indeed a very safe bet that the least-PC questions will not ever be asked, much less answered.


      What was the content of the conversation of the bridge & CIC watchstanders in the moments leading up to the collision, especially aboard Fitzgerald?

      What was the male/female mix?

      Were they watchstanding or flirting?

      I could go on.

      Again, these questions will not be asked, because no one wants to deal with the non-PC answers. “Root causes” are in the eye of the beholder.

      • John Locke

        Yeah cause collisions at sea never happen when bridge watch teams are all heterosexual males.

      • Duane

        I’ve got one for you, dude, and your silly prejudices against people who aren’t exactly like you (thank god).

        Who was the Damage Control Assistant (DCA) on the Fitzgerald who did such a wonderful job of managing the damage control post collision that many lives were saved and the ship itself saved, despite the horrific collision, incapacitation of the CO, and monstrous flooding in berthing areas, in spite of the fact that the (I’ll give you a hint) MALE CO, XO, and MCPO, failed so badly that they were relieved and removed from the ship by the squadron commander?

        Well, we don’t know “her” name, but the official Navy report on the collision response clearly said the DCA was a “she”, and the DC actions of the officers and crew were hailed as magnificent.

        • CharleyA

          The squadron commander may be next to go.

          • kaigun2

            No reason he shouldn’t be. I might add the ATG Yokosuka commodore. Someone is certifying these ships.

        • publius_maximus_III

          And here’s one for you, Duane Dude….

          As the DCA “she” apparently forgot to teach the rest of her crew the importance of securing scuttles in hatches to all watertight compartments immediately following a breach. In this case, that deliberate inaction on the Fitzgerald at one of the hatches to Berthing 2 until it was too late may have saved one or two lives of sailors who would have otherwise been trapped below had “the book” been rigorously followed. But who knows, closed scuttles might have trapped an air bubble in the top of the flooded spaces in the absence of other vents in the overhead. In another case, such a merciful act might have cost the entire ship, with even more lives lost.

          • Duane

            The Navy has congratulated the crew for its excellent DC work that saved the ship and many lives. If you choose to nitpick, then I suggest you join an auditors team .. you know, the guys who always come after the battle and bayonet the wounded.

          • publius_maximus_III

            If deliberately not closing a watertight compartment scuttle is what you consider a nit, then I’ll pick it any day.

          • Duane

            The Navy has determined that not closing the scuttle was the right action for that particular circumstance. In other circumstances the right action may be different. Enjoy your life as an auditor.

          • publius_maximus_III

            Your sentiments are commendable, your assertion lacks basis, and your ad hominem attacks are pure bush league.

            The only report issued thus far concludes those who did not survive the accident did not die due to their own misdeeds, for purposes of securing rightful survivor benefits for their loved ones. The purpose of that report was not to exonerate or condemn the actions of those who survived. The JAG investigation report will do that, but it may not do it within public view.

          • Duane

            You obviously have no freaking idea what an ad hominem attack is. I made no such attacks.

            The Navy clearly congratulated the officers and crew of the Fitz for their DC actions, categorizing them as necessary, correct, and indeed “heroic”.

            What a small minded person you must be to continue to insist on your bayonetting of the wounded after the battle, figuratively speaking.

          • publius_maximus_III

            “You obviously have no freaking idea what an ad hominem attack is. I made no such attacks.” Duane Dude

            In reverse chronological order, to wit:
            o small minded person
            o auditor (assume like one of those Obama IRS Tea Party targeters)
            o nitpicker
            o the guys who always come after the battle and bayonet the wounded

            You really liked that last one, you’ve used it twice already.

            Must get awfully lonely up there atop Mount Olympus. Woe is me, to be a mere mortal in the midst of such cocksure infallability.

          • Duane

            When someone writes small minded comments, it is not ad hominem to say that the person is being small minded. That is being truthfully objective.

            Ad hominem is a personal attack unrelated to the subject at hand, i.e. calling someone a a-hole for merely having a different opinion.

          • publius_maximus_III

            Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? Who watches the watcher?

            Your statement has a hidden assumption: that you do know when someone writes small minded comments. Neither truthful or objective, in my recent experience.

          • Duane

            Anyone who attacks the performance of the officers and crew who saved many lives and the ship itself, and whom the Navy has praised for their professionalism and heroism, just in order to make a political/ideological rant while sitting in the safety of their home, is a small minded person. They just are.

          • publius_maximus_III

            Ah, the backdoor ad hominem — “sitting in the safety of their home” — I think I smell a “what did you do in the war” coming next. Answer: I studied mechanical engineering.

            Look Duane, I’ll freely admit the men and women of the USN, and all our other armed services, are the primary reason we enjoy the Constitutional freedoms we have, veterans and non-veterans alike. In Harm’s Way means exactly that. And I agree with you, the cover letter and report I read reflect very favorably on the entire crew, DCA included, and it is unfair to second guess actions taken in a life-or-death situation. But if mistakes were made, and I think leaving the scuttle(s) to Berthing 2 open, allowing the Berthing 1 space above to flood, regardless of the reason, was a mistake. That does not have to detract from the duty, honor, and courage displayed by those same persons who saved lives through their quick thinking and disregard for their own safety. “No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for a friend.”

            If I were in charge of investigating this one aspect of the events that night, knowing only the facts presented in this one report, I would say it was dereliction of duty to leave a scuttle open until after hydraulic forces made it impossible to close. But knowing the reasons behind that act, the punishment I would recommend would be a $1.00 fine.

          • Duane

            The guy I’m talking about is attacking the performance and integrity of the officers who were there onscene, fighting for their lives.

      • 1zeisele

        Was Chester Nimitz flirting with his fellow watchmen when he run USS Decatur aground ?

        • publius_maximus_III

          I’m pretty sure that Texas boy wasn’t flirting, nothing but males in that wheelhouse. But regardless of the cause, I’m glad they didn’t flame his career into oblivion because of it. Imagine how different things in the Pacific would have turned out without him.

  • John Locke

    In 1956 there were 8 groundings/collisions of U.S. Navy ships. Must have been Ike’s policies that contributed to the mishaps.

    • D. Jones

      How many ships was the Navy fielding in ’56? How many were Aegis-equipped? IR-equipped? GPS-equipped? How many were hit by slow, lumbering tankers & freighters?

      • John Locke

        How many had lookouts?

        • D. Jones

          Since you evaded the questions:

          How many ships was the Navy fielding in ’56? ~1000

          How many were Aegis-equipped? IR-equipped? GPS-equipped? Obviously zero.

          How many were hit by slow, lumbering tankers & freighters? ZERO

          So ~4x the ships without the most advanced sensing gear we currently field, managed to NOT get drilled by freighters and tankers. What has changed? Training and culture.

          • John Locke

            and you know absolutely nothing about the circumstances of the incidents, what contributed to them, whether or not any system would have prevented the incidents, personnel quals, etc., etc.. LOL, you guys are funny with your contrived assumptions and speculations. Hope none of you ever have jury duty.

    • I hear that the Mo Hole is still a good fishin spot to this very day!

  • JANman

    CNO Adm Richardson. Respectfully, Sir can we really order stand-down -in place- while this review is undertaken? Especially in West Pac theater where we have an eminent threat situation. Why not send a/the IG personnel around to each and every Naval battle group and empower CNPAC or an appointee to make corrective actions, immediately. Sincerely hope for the best for the injured, the lost AND their relatives.

  • Curtis Conway

    Well . . . if the US Navy is going to continue on the trend to save money by taking ‘eyeballs off the ball’ and just give it to automated systems, then we will have to automate this navigation monitoring process as well. I understand the difficulty of navigating through tight spaces like the Strait of Malacca. However, this in no way relieves the ship and its crew of situational awareness where ever you are.

    In combat, there are no points for second place, and there is no substituted for Situational Awareness. Perhaps this is time to embrace not only the new integrated bridge system on every US Navy Surface Combatant, but to enhance it with more robust passive sensors and monitoring tools. If Boeing will fly the new SST with an automated cockpit via a remote IR picture then perhaps the new CIC should have more multi-spectral sensors with repeaters in various locations, not just on the bridge and CIC. Not just for heads up in navigation in tight quarters, but also the identification of things, particularly at night. Multiple elements should be included in this system not the least of which is SIMONE (Ship Infrared Monitoring Observation and Navigation Equipment) or a US Navy version thereof. A 360° panoramic view on a high definition Large Screen Display should be available from the chart house, Captain’s In-port and Underway sea cabins, flag spaces, CIC (SSES), and the Wardroom. The display should show everything from below the horizon to zenith in a 360° fashion. It will be a distorted view of the world, but the brain adapts very quickly to the relationship of a display to an intellectual understanding of what you are seeing and where it is actually located. The display can have markers and indicators on it to provide perspective with respect to relative bearing and elevation, some movable and user defined in bearing and azimuth. This system should be developed and installed on every USN/USNS vessel and be maintained and improved over time.

    If you are going to pull the eyeballs off the watch bill, or otherwise give them something else to do that takes them away from there designated function, then you better automate that missing activity and present it to the various members of the combat team who require PERSPECTIVE!

    • John Locke

      You’re making a lot of assumptions when no facts have been released concerning the Fitz or McCain.

      The HD EO/IR system you describe …… several issues….. bandwidth, wavelength, integration, and human interface. It’s being worked, it’s just very expensive.

      SIMONE is okay but it has limitations that don’t meet Navy design practices and criteria.

      • Curtis has a point. The collision alarms were not sounded prior to the collision – how many more facts do you need?
        This all started with “Tailhook”. Show me a politically correct force that has ever won a war.

        • John Locke

          You’re still assuming they weren’t sounded because they didn’t see anything.

          LOL, you’re kidding right?

          Let’s see, the Korean War was before Tailhook, didn’t win that one. Vietnam was before Tailhook, didn’t win that one either.

          Regardless, it’s kind of disturbing that anyone would complain about changes in military culture that prevents the harassment and abuse of fellow Sailors.

          • Read the SECNAV report – time line clearly states that the collision alarm was NOT sounded until after contact was made.

            You just cited two examples of wars fought in a politically correct way (at the time) which only goes to reinforce my point. Please feel free to keep it up.

          • Curtis Conway

            AMEN & AMEN!!!

          • Duane

            Uhh, we won Korea. Pushed the NORKs and Chinese back to above the 38th parallel which was the border before the NORKs invaded in 1950, been there ever since. We left Vietnam having forced the North to the negotiating table after defeating them militarily betwen 1968 and 1972. The only reason the North ultimately prevailed is because our Congress defunded the RVN while the Soviets continued to totally fund the North. Our forces were never defeated.

          • Curtis Conway

            No, not at all. I (or for those who agree with me . . . We) object to the changes that have been made that has turned the US Navy into the politically correct instrument THAT IT IS TODAY, and that is rapidly becoming an ineffective instrument of national policy, that no longer receives respect on the high seas, that is more dangerous to our own sailors . . . and ‘kills’ more of them . . . than our enemies. With a chain of command and policies like this . . . who needs enemies! THAT is what I object to.

            The MISSION of the United States Navy is NOT Social Engineering and treating everyone nicely and fairly. It is to DESTROYER OUR NATION’S ENEMIES efficiently, effectively, in accordance to the plans of, and orders issued by our duly constituted authorities, and do it WITHOUT Prejudice or deference of any kind.

            The United States Navy today has TWICE killed sailors asleep in their racks without so much as a hint that they are about to die. THAT SIR, is what I object too. And you offer up a “…LOL, you’re kidding right?”!?!?!?!

          • Curtis Conway

            Hey John Locke, Sorry about yesterday with my comment. You inadvertently stepped on a raw nerve that has been eating at me for some years now, and the ‘straw the broke the camels back” . . . broke. Again, my apologies.

        • Duane

          We defeated the Taliban in a few months in 2001-2002. We beat the snot out of Saddam Hussein in a few weeks in 2003. and then when our generals got their heads out of their hindquarters, we defeated the insurgency in just a year and a half in 2007-2008. All long after Tailhook.

          Your ignorant rantings are clearly of the “get off my lawn” old fart’s variety, the kind that give senior citizens a bad name. I’m in my 60s, proud of my service 40 years ago in the Cold War, and proud of our warriors today.

          • I could have signed your qual card.

          • Duane

            So tell us, are you a vet or not? What kind of ship did you serve on?

          • If you knew what a qual card is, you would know.

          • Duane

            I do. Qualified in submarines, qualified as a nuclear reactor operator and shutdown operator, probably while you were still crapping your diapers, if alive at all.

          • So, you’re the old man now. You had better add up all of those dosimeter readings, you seem to be a victim of latent radiation sickness. They probably locked you in the reactor compartment when they found out that you were goosey. BTW way – our warriors are not the problem, our leadership is.

          • Duane

            Still haven’t answered my questions, dude. You’re very shifty and evasive … a typical internet BSer I expect.

            Acknowledging that human failings are the primary failings in all human endeavors is not “blaming the troops”. It’s simply reality.

          • Unfortunately subtlety is lost on individuals such as yourself. I intend to keep it up however, because I’m sure that it amuses the other readers. Here’s a little something to spin you up – I was on the business end of the boat. The war fighting end. All you did was to push.

            Back to business. My question posed about what happened to Capt. Owen Paul Honors, Jr. needs an answer first; since it preceded your question to me. You should research it. Perhaps you will learn something about our multi-faceted Navy that they did not teach at prototype.

            In my opinion you also owe Mr D. Jones an apology for your snide offhanded remarks. There are many here who see the full picture and who have predicted where the dearth of leadership would take the U.S. Navy. I suggest that you spend more time on the surface and even look up occasionally.

          • Duane

            You’re still bobbing and weaving and refusing to answer, so the answers to my questions are obvious. You’re not a vet and you’re bloviating without actual knowledge of which you bloviate on.

            My responses to D. Jones are just fine, I’m pinning him down on trying to take every naval incident and turning it into a political/ideological rant that is completely oblivious to reality and irrelevant to the matters at hand, instead of dealing with actual military perfornmnce, which you obviously know nothing about first hand.

    • CharleyA

      We do seem to need MORE automation to assist us fallible humans, particularly if watch standers are being cut back / cannot perform adequately. These destroyers could and should have appropriate traffic sensor systems installed now, the technology exists. It’s not particularly hard – the F-35 has an automated detection system it uses for self protection. Perhaps a similar multi-aperature system could be rapidly fielded (although keeping the apertures clean might be challenging / mx intensive.)

      • Curtis Conway

        Might want to take a look at SIMONE. The German Navy uses it with great success.

        • John Locke

          They have, again, it has its limitations that are not up to NAVSEA specs.

          • So how much money will NAVSEA save if they bought a few and tried to upgrade them vs. the next collision at sea? The infamous Not Invented Here syndrome.

  • jrconner

    The number of collisions suggests the possibility of systemic problems as well as individual screw-ups. The investigation may well uncover a glut of near misses, many or most the result of questionable watch keeping practices and/or insufficient training, and a culture that emphasizes the wrong values. The investigators also need to investigate the tankers that took out the destroyers to rule out the possibility that the collisions were part of a scheme to knock our warships out of action.

  • Ed L

    As enlisted who stood BMOW and JOOD, I am curious to see what the manning is as far as lookouts, etc. for the bridge of a warship is now a days. Now I was never on a glamor ship. Only Gators and Oilers. But for normal steaming we had 3 lookouts plus a couple of signalman. But going through straits and areas of high ship traffic like theEnglish Channel, Caribbean and certain parts of the Med and Indian Ocean. we would double the lookouts, set the Navigation detail. and the Skipper and/or XO would be on the Bridge. The watch would be reinforce with the most experience Watch Standers from the Officer and Enlisted Ranks.

  • Dalgast

    See, you can’t even talk like a sailor on here. Your not my Navy any more, And if there ever was a sea battle I don’t think the Navy today would have a hope and prayer. Your more worried about how PC you are then fighting the ship. I was on the USS O’Bannon DD-450, USS McMorris DE-1036, USS Dewey DLG-14 and USS Jouett CG-29 all Fighting ships of the line. What do you have now, COED Crews that would cringe at he first sign of conflict.

    • John Locke


      There’s a reason there’s an age limit for service.