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USS Porter Buzzed by Russian Planes in Black Sea

USS Porter (DDG-78) on Jan. 6, 2017. US Navy Photo

USS Porter (DDG-78) on Jan. 6, 2017. US Navy Photo

A U.S. guided missile destroyer was buzzed by four Russian military aircraft last week – with one coming as close 200 yards – in incidents the Navy has deemed, “unsafe and unprofessional,” a U.S. European Command spokesman told USNI News on Tuesday.

Three incidents in which Russian aircraft made low passes occurred on Feb. 10 while USS Porter (DDG-78) was operating in international waters in the Black Sea, Capt. Danny Hernandez told USNI News.

160412-N-00000-004 BALTIC SEA – Two Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft fly over the USS Donald Cook (DDG 75) April 12, 2016. Donald Cook, an Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer, forward deployed to Rota, Spain is conducting a routine patrol in the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations in support of U.S. national security interests in Europe. (U.S. Navy photo/Released)

Two Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft fly over the USS Donald Cook (DDG 75) April 12, 2016. US Navy Photo

Two Sukhoi Su-24 Fencer fighters made low-altitude, high-speed passes on the destroyer, an Ilyushin Il-38 surveillance aircraft also made a low pass and a separate Fencer made a low altitude pass on the ship, he said. The commander of Porter determined the actions were unsafe and unprofessional.

It’s unclear if the Fencers were armed.

An April 2014 photo of a Russian Ilyushin Il-38 Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) aircraft. The U.S. denied reports a similar aircraft chased off a U.S. Virginia-class submarine from the Barents Sea.

An April 2014 photo of a Russian Ilyushin Il-38 Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) aircraft.

At least one Fencer came within 200 yards of the ship, flying at 300 feet at more than 500 knots, a defense official told USNI News on Tuesday.

None of the aircraft responded to radio queries from Porter and had their transponders turned off, Hernandez said.

The destroyer had just completed the ten-day Romanian-led multinational Sea Shield 2017 exercise. Porter left the Black Sea on Feb. 11.

The Washington Free Beacon first reported the incidents on Tuesday.

A Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft makes a low altitude pass by the USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) April 12, 2016. US Navy Photo

A Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft makes a low altitude pass by the USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) April 12, 2016. US Navy Photo

While the trio of incidents was considered unsafe, the flybys were much less provocative than when USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) was buzzed by a pair of Fencers in the Baltic Sea last April.

A defense official made clear to USNI News that while the Feb. 10 met the threshold of being considered unsafe it wasn’t in the same league as the April Donald Cook incident.

Cook and Porter are two of four U.S. Navy destroyers that are forward deployed to Naval Station Rota, Spain.

 

 

  • donjames911

    Well, fire a missile or two, and find out which pilot has the stones to buzz US ships! International waters ARE after all, International waters.

    • Alex Pah

      Well, fire a missle or two, and find out which ship has the ability to cruise through the mediterranean seas with Russian shores.

      • Sean

        donjames911’s post was foolish, but so was yours Alex. There isn’t a navy in the world that comes close to the power and flexibility of the US Navy.

        • Alex Pah

          That’s ok, no argue with that, until the flexibility meets the precision of the Bastion coastal defense missile system.

          • Sean

            I have a feeling if there was an escalation to the extent something like this became relevant that this system would be irrelevant. Do you feel a provocation of the United States military is a good idea?

          • Objectivist

            Cut him a break. It’s after midnight in Moscow so he’s been hitting the vodka for at least 12 hours now.

          • Sean

            da

          • Alex Pah

            Far coming statements from the lack of information that is where Americans strong at. Russians are not that loud screaming around about its supremacy and stuff. We are quietly drinking our vodka keeping our sober fingers above our red buttons.

          • Sean

            I can’t resist…..
            You realize that most of your launchers (eg. “red buttons”) are on surface targets that are pretty easy to track, right? Where are roughly 90% of the American launchers? (hint: submarines hidden in the oceans we control)

            Look man, no one in America is trying to start something with Russia. I’m not sure what your reason for getting defensive in the first place is, but military encounters like the one in this article aren’t healthy for maintaining a good relationship between superpowers.

          • Alex Pah

            Russia and US has been keeping military offence against each other offshore in many places. Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan, Egypt, Syria, you name it. Russian nuclear strategic missile submarine fleet has the comparable power with American. Bastion, mentioned by me, is a mobile coastal missile system. We compete all the time and provocations are part of the plan. If you don’t see a Murrican navy ship entering Black Sea as a provocation it’s just because you’ve been told by CNN it is not. But it is, and Russian military jets have the full ability to fly over our tin can you surprisingly called a missile cruiser or whatever.

          • Sean

            Traversing international waters is not provocation. Military maneuvers on military units is. And if you think an AEGIS cruiser is a tin can….

          • Objectivist

            Yeah my money is on the AEGIS system over two 50 year old SU-24s

          • Philip Roza

            That is a bit of an exaggeration.
            The first flight of an experimental SU24 was a few months under 50 years ago and it was introduced in 1974, which is 43 years ago and production ended in 1993 with about 1400 completed. Of the few hundred still airworthy, most are between 24 to 29 years old and aging fast.

          • Objectivist

            Correct. I will still take the AEGIS defense system

          • Philip Roza

            Agreed.

          • Alex Pah

            They don’t publish links, so google the article named “What spooked the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?” You may find it disappointing. While Americans design iPhones thinking that chip integration and process shrinking to 5nm is a top in electronics, Russians develop EW.

          • Corporatski Kittenbot 2.0

            Aah yes….. we all remember that story…

            We remember the Rus media reporting that when the Cook returned to port in Bulgaria the entire crew resigned in terror of the might of mother Russia!

            That was funny alright.

          • Objectivist

            Brought to you by Russian State TV and Kret (the manufacturer of the jamming equipment who has to continually prove to the Russian government that their equipment works).

          • Objectivist

            Is Apple a defense contractor?

            Also, which state-sponsored Russian media site should I check for that story?

          • Bernard Carbajal

            Objectivist don’t take anything from the gubbermint. Unless they died from smoking and writing bad fiction. More importantly the Austrian school of economics still has no working models. Free markets do not “heel thyelf.”

          • Bernard Carbajal

            Until you’ve seen the bullwerk on the Lake Champlain peeled down by 30 foot swells with your own eyes you will always think it’s more then a tin can. But it’s tin can. And any small boy headed for the Katabatic wind from the east is gonna get peeled… while it’s frozen.

          • chrismalllory

            So you would be A-OK with Russian naval vessels in the Gulf of Mexico?

          • Sean

            Sure, if they’re on a peacekeeping mission. Especially if on a UN charter.

          • Objectivist

            Su-24s are very effective against Chechen farm houses. Not so much against the AEGIS missile system.

          • Objectivist

            Remember when the Libyans thought the Gulf of Sidra was theirs? Not the finest hours for Soviet weapons systems.

          • muzzleloader

            Our “tin can”is not a missile cruiser or a whatever. It s an Arliegh Burke class Guided Missile Destroyer.

          • donjames911

            Take your Russian propaganda elsewhere.

          • Alex Pah

            I see provocation from both sides. But who had started first?

          • Sean

            You tell me. To my knowledge there has been no American provocations in recent history. If history enters a period of peace which is violated by one party, you can’t go back in time and recall a previous violation. So what in recent history has the United States done to provoke Russia?

          • Objectivist

            I don’t think the ship buzzed the planes if that’s what you’re asking.

          • CharleyA

            There’s a Russian “trawler”/ spy vessel off the US east coast right now. Provocation? No, but it is a miracle it made it that far without breaking down.

          • Alex Pah

            This “trawler” is definitely not Zumwalt which may collapse in the middle of Panama channel and make a traffic jam there.

          • CharleyA

            Yea, there’s that, but it is a rarity for a US Navy ship to suffer an engineering causality, which seems to be a routine occurence for the Russian Navy.

      • Objectivist

        Mediterranean seas with Russian shores?

    • Andre

      A radar lock will do.

  • Objectivist

    Set up zones with clear warnings and clear consequences. Enter zone X get a warning. Enter zone Y get a radar lock. Enter zone Z get a RIM-156 up your tailpipe.

    • Alex Pah

      Those extraordinary clever individuals like yourself should be kept in specific places like NSA or similar.

      • Objectivist

        You’re English is significantly better than my Russian. That being said, I still think something was lost in translation here.

        • Alex Pah

          A thought is presented as a meal on a plate. In a clear and accessible manner.

          • Objectivist

            Might want to work on the “clear” part

          • Alex Pah

            Any specific request for clarification or the whole idea is not delivered properly? I wonder

          • Objectivist

            The implication was left open to interpretation.

    • Philip Roza

      A short burst with a CIWS would be almost overkill.
      I thing a few 50 cal API rounds from an M2 into the tail section would suffice. That would likely retire the plane without killing the pilot.

      • Sean

        R2D2 is foaming at the mouth for an opportunity to be fed bad guys. 😀

    • Ken N

      Thankfully..your not in charge.

  • Bailey Zhang

    Use SPG62 lock on them, but not firing. Shows a big warning to them.

    • Alex V

      Simple minds are lots of fun to read!!!

      • Objectivist

        What time is it in Moscow right now?

        • Alex V

          That’s what I mean by simple minds!!! LOL

  • Andre

    Trump claimed that he would not allow these sorts of dangerous provocations. It seems as though Putin is testing the new administration early, and we all saw how Obama’s restraint merely encouraged more bullying.

    • Bernard Carbajal

      Obama’s restraint was a function of the lowest (growth) in Govt spending since Ike. Which is exactly what Libertarians and Conservatives claim they deserve.

      • Sean

        Is that how our national debt ended up nearly doubling during his two terms? “Lowest (growth) in Govt spending”?

        • Bernard Carbajal

          Yes. Growth in Gov spending is lower under Obama then at any time since before I was born. Consult Google. The spending record for all admins in our lifetimes are there. The Obama spending spree never happened.

          • Sean

            Oh, so someone else other than the Government caused our national debt to nearly double during Obama’s 8 years. I see…..

          • Bernard Carbajal

            Then you agree the that growth in spending is as low as it’s been since Eisenhower.

          • John Heyer

            The debt was driven mainly by baby boomers retiring (social security + medicare). Doesn’t matter who’s President; that spending will only continue to grow.

          • Sean

            That did contribute to it, but (1) it was an exponentially larger deficit and (2) his tax cuts crippled income. So if you want to make the argument that his lack of spending was a positive thing it’s only fair to also acknowledge his horrific budget that nearly doubled the national debt.

          • John Heyer

            Look at debt grown over the last 5 years. It’s been linear, not exponential. And Obama cut taxes? LOL, tell that to the Tea Partiers and tell me how it goes over.

          • Sean

            An extension of Bush tax cuts without a plan to make up that money somewhere else.

            Any change in data value is “linear” from one point to another. I’m referring to the changes from one administration to another.

          • old guy

            Are you aware that only~ 24% of Social Security goes to the elderly?

  • CharleyA

    It’s just the Russians demonstrating their airmanship. No, hold it, they have a dismal aviation safety record. Alternate theory: it’s just their way of saying “good bye” to the Porter which has been sailing about the Black Sea for the past month or so. Alternate fact – RT / Sputnik News: “We chased the coward Americans from our backyard.”

  • David R

    So all of these jet pictures are from at least a year ago( with the exception of the one Standalone picture of the u.s. naval ship with no jets in sight) and yet they are supposed to be relevant?Looks like manipulation to me. Attach some real pictures of something that actually fits the story before you publish some crap

  • The Plague

    Such games will continue as long as the US keeps sending out lone destroyers that can be reasonably expected not to initiate major action on their own, even when such action would be warranted. The russkies wouldn’t be buzzing a pack of destroyers, particularly if there was some serious aviation component attached. Within the confines of the Black Sea such aviation component is problematic, but could probably be best supplied with F-35B’s hosted on the DDGs.
    Details aside, the point is that the current Navy practice of symbolic showings of the flag are as ridiculous as they are meaningless. Lone ships popping up here and there to “reassure allies” and then get buzzed without consequences deter nothing and reassure nobody. Either send out meaningful detachments ready and able to use force, or dispense with the entire expensive kabuki.

    • Objectivist

      This is meant to be a patrol or show of interest, not an overt show of force.

      But if push came to shove, the USS Porter could more than handle itself against a couple of SU-24s.

      • The Plague

        My point was that what such missions are meant to be makes no sense.

    • Bernard Carbajal

      BPs deep water rigs are in the Black Sea. And when a worker goes over the side moments after the US election went to Trump the kabuki is suddenly real.

  • Bill

    USNI, please make comments members only.

    • Craig

      Must be another of the anti-first rights crowd.

      • Bill

        USNI is a paid membership organization. Why should Russian and Chinese trolls be allowed to clog the message boards? AWST has a board that discusses many of the same topics, but you have to actually subscribe. Are you a member? If not, why not?

  • b2

    We are going to have more of this. IMO, our silly responses and press reports like the “sky is falling” are useless until we can find some adults over 60 who experienced the same every day on every ocean and sea in the Cold War…. get a grip.
    Some perspective: This is the Bear, resurgent- sort of….It ain’t no USSR though. This incident did take place in the Black Sea of course. Back in the “old days” 30-40 years ago we only sent a ship in there once a year. They were overflown for sure. In those days, the Soviet Russians had subs off our coast, plenty of AGIs too.. and they were everywhere including going through our garbage off the port quarter! Somehow the US Navy dealt with it and prevailed. Just ask, this ain’t a new problem.

  • honcho13

    Maybe it was some of El Presidente’s new friends in the Kremlin dropping-by for afternoon tea??? Could happen…

  • Tracy Johnson

    This would have been a great reprise to the WWII incident with the earlier USS Porter which sent this message: “Don’t shoot, we’re Republicans!”

  • John B. Morgen

    Next time, radar lock and a missile lock. Russia is just asking for it because such actions and behavior are war-like, and should be treated as belligerent behavior. Shoot them down!.

  • Bernard Carbajal

    If all the letters are there there is no reason to be.

  • David C

    In the 1970s we routinely flew over Soviet combatants at 200′. Yes, the Soviet ships tracked us with fire control radar.

    • Ed L

      I remember those times. But at least the side swiping stop by them

    • Bernard Carbajal

      in the 80s the BFoxtrots flew over Carriers in the Yellow Sea about 200 ft over. in odd numbered years. I could see the pilots face. Well… the copilot.

  • Bernard Carbajal

    People misspell words, names too. But if all the letters are there the reader will know (as you did). Taking it personally is on you. Logically

  • chrismalllory

    Bring our ships home. Nothing in the Black Sea is any business of the US government or responsibility of the American tax payer.

  • Old Coasty

    The AN/SPY-1D is a 3d Air-Space (and now surface) detect and track radar. It does not “Lock On” to any target to direct Anti-air or Anti-ballistic (and now Anti-surface) missiles, that is the job of the AN/SPG-62 Fire Control Radar. Our and their Radar Warning Systems know the difference between a detect / track and fire control radar.

    The turm “Lock On” is in reference to the Fire Control Radar panting the target so that the defense – offence missiles can attack them. It is the step just before firing the missiles!

  • Yamanote

    Trump won’t do anything because he is impaired by whatever the Russians have on him. Lets hope Mattis has the cojones to stand up to him.