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U.S. Official: Russian Frigate Tried to ‘Interfere’ with Carrier Harry S. Truman

USS Gravely on June 17, 2016 from the deck of Russian frigate Yaroslav Mudry. image via RT

USS Gravely on June 17, 2016 from the deck of Russian frigate Yaroslav Mudry. image via RT

A Russian frigate the Kremlin claims was harassed by a U.S. guided missile destroyer was attempting to disrupt an aircraft carrier tasked with fighting ISIS, a U.S. official told USNI News on Tuesday afternoon.

During the June 17 incident, the 4,000-ton Russian frigate Yaroslav Mudry (FF-727) indicated to U.S. ships operating in the Eastern Mediterranean it was restricted in its ability to maneuver and took a position two nautical miles off the starboard quarter of USS Gravely (DDG-107).

As the ships traveled, Mudry’s crew repeatedly warned Gravely over the radio not to get close but kept accelerating and turning into the American destroyer over the 90 minutes it was tailing the destroyer and carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75). At one point the frigate got as close as about 300 yards, the official said.

Throughout the incident, Gravely maneuvered to stay between Mudry and Truman, the official said.

The crew of Gravely and the carrier determined the Russian frigate, “was intentionally trying to interfere with Harry S. Truman operations,” the official said.
“We have deep concerns about the unsafe and unprofessional Russian ship maneuvers. These actions have the potential to unnecessarily escalate tensions between countries, and could result in a miscalculation or accident which results in serious injury or death.”

Russian officials released a video early on Tuesday claiming Gravely was at fault and in violation of the International Regulations for Preventing Collisions at Sea (COLREGS), according to a Tuesday report in the state-controlled RT newswire.

“ ‘The U.S. sailors, in particular, neglected Rule 13, which stipulates that an overtaking vessel must keep out of the way of the vessel being overtaken,’ the [Russian] Defense Ministry said. It added that the USS Gravely had also violated Rule 15, which says that a vessel that has another vessel on the starboard side must yield and avoid crossing ahead of her,” read the report.

The Russian Ministry of Defense also said the Pentagon, “should take note of such incidents rather than accuse the Russian Air Force and Navy of unprofessional conduct. ‘U.S. sailors allow themselves to neglect key foundations of navigation safety without thinking of the consequences that dangerous maneuvering in a heavily trafficked maritime area might involve’,” read the RT report.

In April, the Pentagon complained destroyer USS Donald Cook (DDG-75) was aggressively buzzed by a pair of Russian Sukhoi Su-24 in the Baltic Sea.

The Truman Carrier Strike Group is currently conducting strikes against ISIS from the Eastern Mediterranean as part of the anti-ISIS Operation Inherent Resolve.

  • CharleyA

    Hmmm, who to believe…

  • Curtis Conway

    An engineered incident that, if it had gone differently, would have placed the Russian frigate in a position to impede (read endanger) USS Harry S. Truman (CVN-75) operations.

    The Russian Ministry of Defense also said the Pentagon, “should take note of such incidents rather than accuse the Russian Air Force and Navy of unprofessional conduct.”

    We don’t do that to them, but they do it to us. Keeping cool heads, and protecting the High Value Unit is what EVERYONE does. No one is fooled by this little stunt.

    • Otus

      Yeh, you never do it. Francis Powers can confirm. During the post-IIWW period the US started more wars and killed more people than any other country in the world. And you still believe your are exceptional? That reminds me something…

      • Mark

        Yes, let’s turn the wayback machine to 1960! You Russkies were and are pretty active in invading others and yet still claim innocence.

        • Otus

          We are not ideal, mate. But most often (and in this particular case) it’s the US who claim innocence. And as regards “activity” – well, compared with your bloodthirsty troops which punched their noses into almost any war on the planet and killed by far more than anyone else, Russia looks kind of Switzerland.

          • Mark

            Switzerland?!?! Hahahaha! Either you are joking or have the most twisted view of neutrality. Nice try Boris.

          • Otus

            Correct, joking at you. But this is kind of true at the same time.)

          • Rascalndear

            Don’t bother. Otus is a troll. Gets paid per response. Only worth it if you can contribute information that trolls prefer not to admit to.

          • Mark

            Ah, I thought so but wasn’t sure. Thanks for the heads up!

      • Horn

        Believe it or not, we actually only started four wars or conflicts since WWII. Grenada, Panama, Haiti, and the Iraq War. All the others were initiated by other parties and we just joined in. Three of those you could hardly call wars though.

        • Otus

          When I said “started” I meant “US troops started to play active / decisive role” in it. The reason for this is that it is often difficult to determine who started a war.

          I see that what I meant is not what you understood – well, my English is not perfect, I do apologize for this.

          However, if we use the narrow meaning of the word “started” I honestly cannot recollect even a single war started by Russia after WWII. Can you help?

          • Horn

            I know you wouldn’t call them wars but Hungary, Czechoslovakia, and the Baltics might think “occupation” is too passive of a term. The Afghan War may have already started before the Russians arrived, but they made it considerably worse after Operation Storm-333.

          • Otus

            Baltics – before WWII, victims of part of Stalin’s effort to move boundary westwards – before Hitler moves eastwards.

            Hungary, Czechoslovakia – Hitler’s ally, de facto Hitler’s ally; occupied in line with Yalta, friendly regimes established; if you mean civil riots – Soviet troops reacted to the events not started them.

            If you want to call it “wars” – you’d have to add a few more wars started by the US as well.

            Afghan war? You must be joking. Name me a war that did not become considerably worse when US troops arrived. Vietnam, yeh?

          • Henry Sirotin

            Czechoslovakia was Hitler’s ally? The Red Army a dozen miles away in overwhelming strength and does nothing while the Nazis crush the Polish Home Army in 1944?

          • Otus

            AFAIR 1/3 of German ammo was produced in there. Some of it killed GI’s too but of course most was used against the main enemy i. e. the Red Army.

            ==overwhelming strength and does nothing while the Nazis crush the Polish Home Army in 1944

            That’s a Western bullshit, one of many. 1) The records show that most Red Army units were depleted from 1/3 to 1/2 after the previous offencive. 2) The Red Army tried helping the appraisal and moreover, the 1st Polish Army even secured at one time a beachhead… Home Army did not show up. 3) Frankly, I really do not understand why should we have helped at all? Was it an appraisal agreed upon with the Red Army? No. Moreover, it started in a hope to liberate Warsaw before the Red Army comes. Were the leaders of the appraisal sympathetic to the Russians? No. Hated. Did the Home Army ever help the Red Army? No. Was it easy to help? No – the Red Army could try to advance even in that state and despite the German threat to its flanks, but at a great cost. Is the blood of a Russian soldier cheaper than the blood of a soldier of the Home Army? I do not think so.

            Anyhow, this is hardly a case of Russia starting a war. So, not relevant.

          • Horn

            LOL, the majority of commenters here probably don’t even know who the Home Army was.

          • Secundius

            Czechoslovakia, Was NEVER an Ally of the Germans in WW2! Czechoslovakia was part of the Sudetenland that Hitler wanted to ADD to Germany. The Czechoslovakians, started building their Version of the French Maginot Lines in 1936, which Infuriated Hitler to create an Pre-Invasion of Czechoslovakia. Starting in March 1938 with the Annexation of the Sudetenland, and Subsequent Invasion in March 1939 of the ENTIRE Czechoslovakian Country…

          • Otus

            ==Czechoslovakia was part of the Sudetenland that Hitler wanted to ADD to Germany.

            Hmmm… Your knowledge of historical geography is outstanding. I was taught in the Soviet school that, to the contrary, Sudetenland was part of Czechoslovakia. Now I realize that this was Soviet propaganda!

            ==and Subsequent Invasion in March 1939 of the ENTIRE Czechoslovakian Country…

            And quite developed industry of Czechoslovakia started producing for Germany military equipment.

          • Secundius

            So What!/? One is Inside the Other, YET Both are One In The Same. My Grandfather, on my Motherside came from the Sudetenland. He had NO MORE desire to Jion Germany then any other German Speaking Czechoslovakian…

          • Andre

            The Russians sure showed those Nazis in ’68 didn’t they?

          • Secundius

            Or Hungary in 1956!/?

          • Andre

            Booted those evil ex-Arrow Cross scientists to Western Europe and North America. Good riddance too!

          • Secundius

            But then again Miklos Horthy and his Regime, PALE’S to the EXTREME When Compared to Stalin…

          • that was a Stalin call..he was a butcher….

          • Marek

            Hungary, Czechoslovakia – Hitler’s ally,
            What ???
            Soviet Union was a Hitler ally until 1941. Czechoslovakia was just occupied by Hitler.

          • Otus

            What “what”??? Hungary was Hitler’s ally and attacked Russia 27 June 1941. 2nd Hungarian army was in Stalingrad (and almost fully destroyed there). Part of Czechoslovakia was germanized and the locals were in the German army. The rest was occupied and efficiently produced ammo and other military stuff for Wehrmacht.

          • Marek

            Vietnam war was whole time supported by Soviet Union and China. Without you guys, there would be no war at all. Or at least war wouldn’t be so bad. And Vietnam today would be much more developed.
            Russians can only destroy and not able to create anything positive. Look what you did in Korea. Compare North and South. Also in Europe, somehow countries closer to Russia are typically poorer and devastated by decades of communism.
            Interesting thing, all eastern European states which you “liberated” in ww2, now are in NATO. You did so much “good” for them and nobody wants to be your ally. And everybody want to be USA ally. Try to think why…
            If you can’t find an answer, you can ask this question to Putin during his annual teleshow.

          • Otus

            ==Vietnam war was whole time supported by Soviet Union and China. Without you guys, there would be no war at all.

            Oh yeh. The fastest way to stop the war is to surrender. You killed at least 2m people with carpet bombings, agent orange, etc. and now blame Russia. What about Afghanistan then? Wouldn’t there be no war (and no Taliban btw) if not the US / Pakistani help?

          • Bob

            You seem to forget the “Cold War”.

          • Kin Mo

            hypocrites. The war in Afghanistan was initiated by the United States, sponsored and secured against the USSR. even ammunition and weapons were given the militants! poppy cultivation and drug trafficking there, too, by the way – it is the United States

          • Rascalndear

            😀 )))))) Another troll

          • Kin Mo

            to confirm that there is plenty of evidence … because that troll is only then you

          • Andre

            The Soviets had been interfering in Afghanistan since the 1950s. Pakistan played a more prominent role in the anti-Soviet/anti-Communist campaign than the United States.

            You forget Soviet pilots flying “North Korean”, “Vietnamese” and “Egyptian” aircraft and Soviet technicians manning Vietnamese SAM units. When did the Mujaheddin ever appear with Patton tanks or their own air force, hmm?

          • Otus

            ==The Soviets had been interfering in Afghanistan since the 1950s.

            Just for your education: Afghanistan was our neighbour so we definitely had to have relations with it – not from 1950s but from 19 century. And the USSR had very good relations with the Afghani shakh. Afghan revolution was a totally local product.

          • Andre

            Russia does not border Afghanistan, but the Russian Empire and its Soviet iteration did. British India also bordered Afghanistan…

            Shtorm-333 doesn’t seem to indicate very good relations, now does it?

          • Kin Mo

            about Afghanistan or anything you do not know … probably the intervention of the USSR there was a forced step, the United States is known and used. US cranked dirty deeds in all the border to the Russian and Soviet territory! IN ALL! call at least that’s what Russia or the Soviet Union was organized in Canada or Mexico? maybe Russia is building military bases with raketnoboronu defense around the state?
            and hypocritically calls them defensive aggression Eskimos … “the American nation,” Obama said, is really exceptional … in his arrogance, hypocrisy, treachery and ignorance…

          • Otus

            Don’t really understand what you meant, sorry. Can you please elaborate in a more logical way?

          • Rascalndear

            How trollishly ignorant you are. I’ll be glad to stir your revisionist historical memory a little: Transnistria, 1990; Nagorno-Karabakh (1991), Abkhazia, Georgia (1992), Chechnya I (1994) and Chechnya II (1999), South Ossetia, Georgia (2008), Crimea, Ukraine (2014), Donbas, Ukraine (2014). What’s more, most of these wars have ended in Russia taking territory from its neighbors or one-time fellow-republics. And that’s just since Russia became independent and those conflicts where Russia was openly involved as the aggressor…

          • Horn

            I honestly helping somebody that is clearly so biased, but Otus was talking about wars that Russia started. Chechnya II wouldn’t apply here. The Russians were justified due to rogue Chechnyan extremists breaking the peace treaty.

          • Rascalndear

            That’s certainly Moscow’s justification, but Moscow still started it. Russia’s leaders now claim everywhere that they are protecting Russians who are under threat. And their definition of Russians is not limited to “ethnic” but to “speakers” as well. Maybe they’ll attack Brighton Beach one of these days too? Or Tel Aviv? Chechnya II also Pukler’s virgin war, the test of his political manhood. There’s a lot more to it all than meets the eye.

          • Otus

            He is a troll. Don’t you see?

          • Horn

            Pot calling the kettle black?

          • Otus

            So what makes you claim I am trolling? My position differing from yours?

          • Otus

            I should have figured out: na vore shapka gorit. A person whose first post was to blame me for trolling is a fat stupid TROLL himself.

            You are ignored

          • Marcd30319

            Soviet invasion of Afghanistan in December 1979. Merry Christmas, comrade.

          • Otus

            War in Afghanistan started before we came – with US help, btw. Happy Great October Revolution Day, Sir.

          • Marcd30319

            Total bull. The USSR staged the overthrow of the Afghan government in 1979.

          • Otus

            Operation Cyclone was the code name for the United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) program to arm and finance the Afghan mujahideen prior to and during the Soviet war in Afghanistan, from 1979 to 1989. The program leaned heavily towards supporting militant Islamic groups t

          • Marcd30319

            Total BS. Soviets overthrew invaded the government of Afghanistan and installed their own Communist government there and invaded the country.

          • Ed L

            The murders committed by the USSR since the end of WW2 ran into Millions.

          • Secundius

            Just by Stalin alone? Best Guesstimate from 1920 to 1953, approximately 54-MILLION (Russians). Other than Russians, UNKNOWN!

          • Otus

            Proof? US killed in Vietnam alone at least 2m., mostly non-combatants. USSR never committed anything like US carpet bombings or nuclear destruction of cities or agent orange

          • Donald Carey

            Name the Vietnamese cities the U.S. bombed with nuclear weapons. Inquiring minds want to know…

          • Secundius

            A ‘Disclaimer” in the Question, “OR”…

          • Secundius

            Bomb in Question was the BLU-82B “Daisy Cutter”! 6,800-kilograms of Ammonium Nitrite, Aluminium Powder and Polystyrene. A “MOAB” (Massive Ordnance Air burst Demolition Bomb), used in Displacing Tree’s in the Jungle for Support Fire Base Installations or Helicopter Landing Site. Was NEVER used against City Bombing Raids…

          • Jeffrey Guggino

            What Russia had no part in Korea or Vietnam ? How about Afghanistan ? Ukraine ?

          • old guy

            I CAN. The Korean war was a Russian Supported (and China) invasion of South Korea. We fought with the UN. All North Korean A/C were MIGs flown by Russian pilots. How about the Hungary invasion? Pol Pot SPECIFICALLY, thanked Russia for their support. The Domino drive was real. To their credit, the Russkies almost always used indigenous ground troops.

        • Роман Никитин

          Well, announce war of Russia, let’s. Russia always ready. Forward!

      • Rascalndear

        Whattaboutism… the first signal that trolls have come online.

        • Otus

          I just replied to a false statement. If you believe it is trolling – you have problems with the assessment of reality. US is not untouchable.

          • Rascalndear

            Not really. You made a bullshit statement against the US that has nothing to do with this particular article. That’s trolling.

      • Marcd30319

        Otus, Sheriff Andy Taylor just called and said that your cell is ready at the jail so you can sleep it off.

      • Curtis Conway

        All the casualties in all the wars in which the United States has participated (our & theirs) will never equal the lives that have perished under Communism around the planet as they tried to beat people down and make everyone equal, while those in charge lived lavish life styles. G-d gave individuals talents so government could take it away? Also, it is a matter of HiStorical fact that the benefit to the planet at large, and people everywhere in general, has has a huge uptick in quality of life since the United States became a country, and our governmental model, and way of life, set an example for the planet. Everything else is hysterical unsubstantiated hyperbole, or just outright lies, based mostly on inaccuracies. The Tens of Millions that Mao and Stalin killed are undisputed, and that’s before we add everyone else.

        As for American Culture today, the Academic Elite are responsible for our education system, and the level of ineptitude, education, awareness of things (save what they spew to their followers) have taught them. It is a shame how unaware, and HiStorically illiterate our youth and young adults have today.

        • Secundius

          Best Guesstimate for Stalin Reign was from 20-Million to 54-Million Russian Killed by His Signature and Under Mao Zedong, between 78-Million and 108-Million…

          • Otus

            What?! You must be insane to believe in these ridiculous figures

          • Secundius

            Figures came from Russia’s OWN Historical Archives! When the WALL came down, so did the Protective Secrecies of tha Soviet Union. Like the NAZI’s the NKVD/KGB, kept Meticulous Records on VIRTUALLY Everything took place in the Soviet Union…

      • Curtis Conway

        Seriously? You are seriously trying to justify bad acts, recognizing, and characterizing them as such? Well . . . That demonstrates who’s side you are on, and it is not righteous!

      • old guy

        Gary Powers was a rigged deal./ He was supposedly hit by a missile at 75,00 feet. The only problem was that the best Russian AA missile only had an effective precision to
        50, ooo ft. and an altitude max of 70,000 ft.. Even if it was a lucky hit the U-2 landed almost intact, as if it had flown, gracefully to Earth.

    • Secundius

      Of Course It Is!/? Putin’s, tried to Create an Incident AT OUR (the USA) Expense…

  • Kansas Man

    Typical Russian behavior. The sailors are familiar with their nonsense. I commend the Sailors aboard the USS Gravely for doing their job.

    • Eouz Cuemarz

      What job? freedom of provocation?

      • Horn

        The job he’s referring to is that you don’t let any vessel get between you and the flagship you are escorting. The Russians would say the same thing, that’s why they omitted the rest of the CTF from their news articles.

      • anotherview2

        The video clip of the incident does appear like a provocative act by a US Navy ship toward a Russian ship on the high seas. This citizen asks why the Navy command allowed this incident to unfold as it did?

        • Marcd30319

          Nope, it was protecting the carrier from interference by the Russian warship. Carriers must have sea room to conduct flight operations.

        • USNVO

          Really? Clearly the two ships are sailing parallel courses and the US ship is overtaking the Russian one, all perfectly legal. Additionally, there is no chance of collision at that point. If the Russian ship was being overtaken, it is obligated to maintain course and speed, but the Russian ship then clearly turns into the US ship and probably speeds up as well. The US ships then speeds up to avoid collision. How can I tell this?

          – the wake of the US ship clearly increases during the incident indicating it is increasing speed, you can also see the rooster tail in the back when the Russian cuts across the stern that wasn’t present before the Russian turned.
          – the wake of the US ship remains straight during the entire incident, no telltale knuckle when it presumably changed course.
          – the US ship changed target angle only as a result of bearing changes. If the US ship had altered course to starboard, you would have seen a significant change in target angle immediately as well as a change in bearing relative to the Russian ship, this did not happen. The Russian ship maneuvered. The Gravely did turn left after the Russian ship passed astern, probably to continue to block for the CVN.
          – interestingly, the Russian video photographer never includes anything in the frame that can give a viewer a frame a reference, something the US photographers always manage to do since it is part of their training, and there is clearly some missing footage in the middle of the tape since there is an obvious instantaneous change in target angle and speed on the US ship about 20 seconds into the clip.

          Bottom line, the Video doesn’t show what the Russians claims it shows which wouldn’t be hard since you cannot simultaneously be under rule 13 and 15 anyway, you have to be one or the other. Given the target angles from the video, it clearly wasn’t a crossing situation (rule 15) although in all fairness they may be referring to a previous or later incident but it was lost in translation.

          • Neale Beck

            You have just said it all .Well done, thats the best comment yet!.

  • PappyStu

    Meanwhile the SSN Submarine escort was maintaining its target solution…

    • Otus

      While being targeted by a couple of Russian submarines. That’s a never ending game, mate. Your are lucky is is still a GAME – but the chance that it stops being a game increases with each case of stupid behavior like that of commander Elis

      • Mauvais Garcon

        As one who is intimately familiar with the US’s ASW capabilities, I can assure you that had there been a Russian sub nearby it too would be identified. At anything over 15 knots your subs sound like a washing machine on three legs in the spin cycle. And not one of them can outrun a MK48 ADCAP.

        • Otus

          Pff. West is best (C) Then suddenly you somehow miss to locate a crappy Chinese submarine crawling directly underneath.

  • Terry Kakavoulis

    As I recall, right about the time Rusia supported Greece right around 1966 it not only coused a democracy to uproot itself but established itself in the same doorsteps of the philosophy who established it but, now they are correct?
    Thank you any ways but you really don’t need to be in the Mediteranian, unless your tripping towards new rewards that you can’t substantiate, in which case ask Turkey to sell you their philosophy.
    But also if you hurry you can now buy it at a discount!
    Just wait for the change!
    And don’t get stiffed!
    I know you are a big brother and country but believe me when I tell you, that what you guys have today and believe in was derived by a very small group of democrats who knew logic.

  • Terry Kakavoulis

    If I told my friend “Stuff It” he, should laugh, probably hug me, grab a drink, and take me home!
    Who are you?

  • Otus

    Comparing “plausible” claims of Pentagon and direct references of the Russian Ministry of Defence to paragraphs of COLREGS, I see that as regards this incident the Russians sound much more convincing.

    Of course, not for the brainwashed ones.

    • Charles Haas

      Of course, your right. We should have left the Yaroslav Mudry slide right next to the USS Truman, and then have the carrier turn into the wind for carrier ops and slice the frigate right in half. 100,000 tons beats 4,000 tons every time.

      • Otus

        Your carrier must be invisible – at least, I could not detect it on the video which showed, btw, the sea from the port to the starboard of Mudry.

        ==the carrier turn into the wind for carrier ops and slice the frigate right in half.

        Pfff. You are so brave in front of your computer! I don’t think that the captain of the carrier would be so stupid to provoke WWIII. …On the other side, based on the Commander Elis’ behaviour, the US captains seem to be not so witty…

        • Ed L

          At least the Russian’s didn’t ask where is Kitty Hawk? We all remember that? What did your signalmen reply with? In North Carolina.

          • Otus

            Is it where Wright manned their first plane? Legendary)

          • Ed L

            1981 in the Arabian Sea, We were operating with the USS Kitty Hawk CV-63, getting ready to out chop and the America CV-66 had just arrive on station. A couple of days later the Kitty Hawk slipped away without the Soviet AGI noticing. The Soviet asked by flashing light, where is Kitty Hawk. and the Signalmen on the responding American Warship were order to reply. ” North Carolina.” It soon made the rounds in task force. We all got a good laugh out of that. Happy Times it was back then, doing RAS with two CBG (carrier battle groups) over a 3 night period and then a 6 to 8 hour alongside with a civilian tanker to top off our bunkers. USS Seattle AOE-3. We also were able to RAS engines for F-14’s via the highline. Every time we lifted one of those engines up to sent it over. The system would just stay within safely parameters

          • Otus

            Something very specific. But thanks for sharing.

        • Horn

          Carrier can be seen over the Gravely’s bow at 0:34 in the video above.

          • Otus

            Replied below

          • Rascalndear

            It can actually be seen from 0:26 on. I noticed it immediately.

          • Horn

            Yeah, I was just using the 0:34 because you can use the bow of the destroyer as a reference.

        • Charles Haas

          Well, the carrier may not have been in the picture but it was there. The camera was looking at only what it wanted to see, as it was directed for propaganda means. Reading the report, it said the Mudry had restricted maneuverability, so one wonders why the frigate would be sailing amidst another fleets ships if it couldn’t maneuver? So, really, whose Captain was the stupid one? Might want to get it taken in for repairs, instead of having it flounder in the Med.

          • A J

            It is in the video. It’s on the horizon. The Russian frigate false-flagged that they had no control. If you watch the waves, it’s easy to tell that it’s the Russian ship moving toward the US ship (through a course change, but NOT a bearing change) … which proves that the flag was false. They were maneuvering.

        • A J

          You can’t see that squarish looking thing on the horizon that the videographer made sure to get as the ships were coming close? Yeah, that’s the carrier.

    • anotherview2

      Exactly. I side with my country, yet I cannot easily condone my country flouting the law of the sea. This law controls all parties in the interests of order benefiting all.

      • Otus

        Unfortunately, international law has few mechanisms of specific prevention.

      • Rascalndear

        A law that you clearly are in ignorance of. 🙂 Must be another Boris pretending to be a Bob.

        • Horn

          Please stop. Whether he’s a troll or not, insults are not the way to handle this and make the admin’s jobs more difficult. I’d rather keep the conversation civil.

          • Rascalndear

            Perhaps you can ask those making ridiculous claims to stop as well? Whenever they are presented with factual information, suddenly they stop talking. Besides, why should it be an insult to call a Russian Boris?

          • Horn

            It’s all your comments, not just the above one. Hit them with facts, not insults. Insults will just give them more fuel.

          • Rascalndear

            Maybe you haven’t read very well because the majority are loaded with facts. Anyhow, Not sure why you are after me here.

    • KillerClownfromOuterspace

      You can bet we have film from multiple angles and radar tracks from multiple radars. The russians were tracking the carrier group and playing games. They had no other reason to be in the area.

      Maybe the russians should tell us what the machinery casualty was that restricted their ability to maneuver because a warship is highly redundant. Did the captain go to the potty?

      Talk about brainwashed… and stupid.

      • Otus

        Your claim lacks references to those videos and therefore somehow… sucks.

        ==They had no other reason to be in the area.

        Oh, really? May be, except for protecting the Russian convoys – the task they have been officially performing for the last two years or so?

        • KillerClownfromOuterspace

          Look genius, they were shadowing the carrier group. The ocean is big, the chances of a russian ship and a carrier group meeting AND GOING THE SAME DIRECTION is extremely small unless intended.

          So name the russian convoy in the area.

          • Otus

            Google. Syrian express.

          • KillerClownfromOuterspace

            So who has been attacking syrian shipping that they needed military protection. No one.

            And you haven’t one cintella of proof that the russian ship was doing anything other than shadowing the carrier task force.

          • Otus

            You mean in the US Navy protection is given to the transports only after they have been attacked? Oh, really? And who is attacking the US in Mediterranean as a cause of Truman sailing there then?

          • KillerClownfromOuterspace

            The russian military escort is for the russian military equipment and men being sent to fight in syria genius.

          • Otus

            OMG. That is what I have been telling you. And?

          • KillerClownfromOuterspace

            No, you’ve just been complaining the US military is all wrong and doing what the russian military is actually doing all while defending the russian military.

        • Rascalndear

          What convoy would that have been? Larger vessels always have the right of way because they are harder to maneuver. That’s also the international law of the sea.

  • IHO007

    You can always rely on the russkies to accuse you with perpetrating exactly what they are perpetrating. This is, by the way, the standard behavioral pattern of any psychopath.

  • OLtzS

    Does the USN no longer have own cameras? Putin wins with his film the net battle.
    Other than that, it was just a simple stationing maneouvre.

    • Ed L

      the secdef must have classified the video.

      • The_Usual_Suspect61

        It probably shows Mabus and Carter on the Russian ship.

  • Ed L

    President Obama, it’s not only the 80’s are back but it looked like they dragged the 70’s and 60’s with them.

  • vincedc

    Kind of like watching a slow motion NASCAR race. Actually, these things happen a lot more than reported.

    • Horn

      That they do. At least the Russians didn’t ram the cruiser. Anybody remember the Yorktown and Caron incidents in the 1980s?

  • anotherview2

    The video clip appears to document a violation of the rules of the sea by the USS Gravely. This USS ship steamed ahead of the Russian ship which lay off its starboard side. The captain of the USS ship then deliberately maneuvered his ship to place it directly forward of the bow of the Russian ship, on the same heading

    So we in the public have to ask our central government why in the world it would allow this incident to unfold as it did. The incident strikes this citizen as both heedless and needless.

    • Bob

      Remember the Russians are showing you what they want you to see.

      • Kin Mo

        some quirky phrase … so bright, but at the same time, neither of which is not under the ratings … you can decipher it as “do not look for the truth and just believe in the just cause of the United States” … despite the fact that a particular fact lies the Pentagon did not dispute. but in fact, as Obama said – “Americans – a special nation”…
        so believe him

        • Horn

          ^^^^^
          What does this even mean? I’m trying to understand but it doesn’t grammatically make sense.

          • Otus

            There is so far only one video showing no US carrier and a US ship violating the sea rules.

            Bob suggests disregard the video because it is made by the Russians (and therefore ostensibly does not show the whole picture) and believe to what Pentagon is saying.

            Despite the fact Pentagon omits commenting the video (contradicting to its statement) and does not support its words with evidence.

            Kin Mo laughs at him. To my simple mind, it is clear)

          • Horn

            What Bob is saying is that the video is extremely short, doesn’t show all that happened (incident lasted more than an hour), doesn’t include any details on communications between the ships, and only looks in a small direction. For all you know the carrier is outside the shot because the camera only looked forward. I’ve only seen a brief statement released by the Russian government providing few details of the actual incident whereas the Pentagon gave a more detailed account of the situation. Until we know more, there’s still uncertainty.

          • Otus

            Ok, ok. Basically, you repeat what Bob is saying. You are wrong on 2 points:

            1) camera did not look only forward, it covers, I would say, about 180 degrees.
            2) video + comments of the Russians Ministry (not sure if you got them in full) are more detailed than comments of Pentagon; more importantly – the video contradicting Pentagon’s statements is not commented by Pentagon

          • Horn

            I think you need to retake math, again. I’d give you that the camera covered maybe 75 degrees max. Second, stop the above video at 0:34 and look directly over the Gravely’s bow. Look, the carrier! Even I missed it the first time.

          • Otus

            Ok, I looked at the video again. Not 180, not 75. May be 110 – 120.

            I could spot a bump to the pot side of the Mudry’s course. A carrier? May be. But far away, not dead ahead and not justifying the Gravely’s actions in any way.

          • Horn

            A cruiser? LOL! That’s clearly a flattop. The only cruisers close to that size would be a Zumwalt or Kirov. Also, the camera clearly doesn’t pan beyond 90 degrees.

          • Otus

            It was a typo, man. Don’t be so fuzzy. I don’t want to argue about the 20-30 degrees difference, excuse me. My points were different if you did not notice.

          • Ed L

            I prefer raw video. Like most posted videos this one has been edited a lot

          • Kin Mo

            He wrote that his sentence encourages a blind eye to the facts and believe a lie:

    • Rascalndear

      If you really knew the laws of the sea, you would not write this nonsense. Read some of the knowledgeable responses above and next time don’t bother with that righteous bunkum.

  • KillerClownfromOuterspace

    Back to cold war games.

  • Paul Antonio

    Huh, now I get a better picture than what was in previous article in Early Bird, i.e., Russian outrage at destroyer maneuvering close aboard Russian frigate. Based on this new information, it all seems perfectly reasonable that the destroyer would perform the maneuver. If the shoe was on the other foot, I seriously doubt the Russians would sit idly by…

  • Kin Mo

    Pentagon or when does not lead any evidence and proof of his words … it’s … PENTAGON bastion of democracy, freedoms and human rights … do people blindly believe everything simply because they want to believe it or on they are afraid of the truth? completely rot, hypocrisy, lies and greed …

  • Rascalndear

    About par for Russia. Break rules and then say everyone else was breaking them, except you. One of these days their games of chicken will end in tears.

  • Horn

    How can nobody see the carrier in the background. You can clearly see it over the Gravely’s bow at 0:34.

    • A J

      Depending on which video you’re watching (there’s one that is cut at the 13 second mark, and one that isn’t) .. you can get a clear shot of it at the 20 second mark without Gravely getting in the way.

  • Horn

    No. USA high schools do teach both fronts of WWII in the European theater, Eastern and Western. Also, Russians seem to forget that if not for US convoys to Russia, they might have lost.

    • Otus

      Yeh. That’s what US schools teach.))

      The truth is that serious US help started coming after Stalingrad. US convoys saved many Russian lives but were not decisive.

      • Rascalndear

        Ignorance is bliss. If the West (including the US) hadn’t armed Stalin in the early years of WWII, the USSR (and the independent republics today) would have been speaking German. Lend-Lease kicked in in March 1941, before the US was attacked at Pearl Harbor and officially entered the war.

        • Otus

          You are ignored, trololo, remember

      • Horn

        The convoys began BEFORE Stalingrad. The program started in July 1941 with first deliveries starting in August. Supplies were also sent across the Persian Corridor and the Far East before Japan entered the war. Russia fought using our tanks, planes, fuel, ammo, materiel, and food while they relocated and rebuilt their industrial infrastructure. That’s not just US and UK sources. German commanders commented on effectiveness of the aid during the invasion of Russia.

        • Otus

          Oh, no. Man, you suck. Hitler attacked Russia 22 June 1941. How on Earth could the program start in March?!

          You just got some info from Wiki, don’t you? The UK was the main addressee of US aid and indeed started receiving it in March. Read some serious books don’t be so stupid

          • Horn

            You’re right, I did make a mistake. I gave the Lend-Lease date between the US and UK. Immediately after Russia was invaded, Churchill promised aide via the Lend-Lease Act. It may have even been the same day, I can’t remember. And no, I’m not using Wikipedia. I’ve got my own library for that.

          • Otus

            Ok, sorry for insulting. But you need to familiarize yourself with quantities of help per each year – compared with the Soviet production. You will see that there is some propaganda in US too

          • Horn

            Maybe, but Germany invaded your industrial heartland. Early, those facilities had to be moved farther east. And if I remember correctly, Allied aid equated to 11-14% of total Russian production at the end of the war. Still, it was a vital lifeline while you were recovering. I know all about Russian industrial might later in the war. That’s how you were able to recover relatively quickly. The biggest aid we sent wasn’t war materiel, it was food. Russia’s agriculture was bad to begin with before the war, and worsened greatly after the initial invasion.

          • Otus

            You are correct only on one point: the facilities had to be moved to the West. That was an operation that took effort and in many cases sacrifice of millions of people and has no parallels in the history. Interesting that it was orchestrated by a genius guy named Vannikov who met 22 June in a jail waiting for the death penalty for “espionage and counter revolutionary plot”. His story is amazing.

            I am proud that my father (16 at that time) was part of this miraculous effort; the plants assembled the lines and started production just in an open field, under the rains and snow. Many of those unknown heroes died of starvation, cold, etc… They worked 16-18 hours, slept near their working places and then worked again…

            You are wrong, as I told you, regarding the time of the Western supplies – they came later. 3-4% in total, although you cannot assess importance based on percentage – you need to understand positions and TIME. On some positions, like fighter planes, the figures exceeded 10% – but again, such planes became operational en masse by the Kursk battle as earliest.

            As regards time, it was bought in 1941 not through the Western supplies but by the seas of Russian blood. My grandfather who volunteered to the Moscow militia in 1941 could tell you more – forests near Moscow and St. Petersburg are still full of remnants of so many thousands of soldiers and volunteers… They slowed down the German offencive at an unbelievable price.

            As regards food – like I said, it indeed saved many lives. But not in 1941. The family of my grandfather survived 2 winter months in 1941 mostly on 2 kg of potato skins. No US food was around

          • Marcd30319

            Another Putin troll. Have a nice day. comrade!

          • Edward Silverman

            My Uncle was in the merchant marine during ww2 and told me about our country the USA sending supplies to Russia in 1942 when he was in the service. He described the citys he saw while leaving port for a short time.

          • Otus

            If I could thank your uncle – I would do it. My father was fighting in a Katyusha regiment mounted on Studebakers – so he described it as a very powerful and reliable car. Do you remember the names of the cities? Vladivostok, perhaps?

          • Edward Silverman

            I’m not sure but I think it was Biolistack or something by that name. I know I spelled it wrong. When he came home he told us that Russia had beautiful cities.

          • Otus

            Sorry, cannot connect to any name of a Russian port((( Anyway, your uncle must have been a very nice person if he called Russian port cities on the Far East beautiful) – the surroundings may be, the cities not really, may be with an exception of a few buildings or streets…

          • Secundius

            Which is Correct, But there was NO Direct Lend Lease Act with the USSR. The Lend Lease Act ONLY Applied to the USA, Britain, and the British Commonwealth Countries. The USSR, France, Norway, the Netherlands and China were ALL “By the Way” Countries. What wasn’t being used by Either the USA, the UK and the Commonwealth Countries went to the “By the Way” Countries (Surplus, NOT USED)…

          • Rascalndear

            Lend-Lease was not in response to Stalingrad. It started in March 1941 on the western front and then was extended to the eastern one. $11.7 billion in US armaments went to the USSR.

          • Andre

            Hitler and Stalin attacked Poland in September 1939, starting World War II in Europe.

          • Otus

            Stop it, man. WWII started in 1936 in Spain, with the “neutrality blessing” of the West. Russians fought against Nazis there.

            As regards Poland I do not even want to go into the complexity of Munich, Sudet, Teshin, attempts to sign a treaty with France and England, Polish obstruction, etc., etc.

          • Andre

            World War II in Europe did not start in Spain, or Abyssinia or Albania. It started in Poland, and was started by Hitler and Stalin who violated their non-aggression treaties with Poland. Technically, the USSR was at war with Great Britain and France prior to the start of Barbarossa as a result of Stalin’s invasion of eastern Poland.

            There is no “complexity” here. Germans are very apologetic about their history, but Russians today continue to clutch at lies because they did not undergo de-Stalinization. Without Stalin’s blessing, World War II in Europe was impossible. His aggression against the Baltics, Finland and Poland confirms that he was a conqueror, albeit more cautious than Hitler.

          • Otus

            It started in Poland because you (and West) like it to be started in Poland? Spanish war had the same actors, same weapons and same goals as the following events. It is fully connected to them and is part of them.

            Pact with Germany was signed at the end of August. You really believe that Hitler decided to invade Poland within few days? You must be insane then.

            The decision was made long before – and Hitler was quite positive that Poland would not get real help from the West – despite treaties. So, it is the West who blessed Hitler to attack – from the Sudetenland and Austria to its rabbit-like behavior after invasion in Poland.

            In August of 1939, when negotiations with the West failed (due to a material degree – because of the Polish position), Stalin had a choice between watching Hitler taking over all Poland (including areas populated mostly by Belorussians and Ukrainians, treated by Poles as 2nd class people – and occupied by Poland in 1920) – or taking part of it to move the boundary westwards.

            This is an inconvenient truth. And what you are saying is a lie.

            ==Technically, the USSR was at war with Great Britain and France

            Just one good example of your lies. France and England did not even bother to send a note of protest. “Technically” because as they said the pact was against Germany only. Practically, because they so the USSR actions as mostly anti-German.

          • Andre

            It started in Poland because it started in Poland. Spain may have been a proxy war for the Soviet Union, Germany and Italy, but it was not part of World War II. Is the Korean War then a continuation of World War II?

            The Polish-Soviet Non-Aggression Pact was signed in 1932 and violated by the Soviet Union in 1939; the Polish-German Non-Aggression Pact was signed in 1934 and abrogated by Germany in April 1939…

            Secret Soviet-German talks to form a pact were conducted from April to July 1939, and in earnest from May on. Hitler was in no position to take over all of Poland without Soviet support, given the Anglo-French security commitments. Moreover, Stalin had other options, such as threatening to intervene if Hitler advanced beyond a specific line or if he invaded the Baltic states.

            In any event, the Secret Protocol included Soviet intentions to conquer and annex all three Baltic states and parts of Poland, Romania and Finland. Sounds entirely defensive, no?

            I invite you to take up your concerns with your departed Dear Leader, who murdered more Russians than the Germans did.

        • Ned_Kelly_707

          Otus is such a lying progressive stooge.

          • Ed L

            So true

        • Ed L

          One of my Uncles who was to old to be drafted was envolved heavily in the planning and execution of shipping materials though Iran. He told me years later that he dislike working with Soviet government. He spoke Russian. Made friends with Russians Many of them he rarely saw again. When he asked about them he was told secretly that they were killed for being too friendly with Americans.

          • Otus

            Oh, I like those American stories about Russians being routinely executed for being too friendly to Americans! No connection with the reality but that is what you grew up with.

      • Marcd30319

        Tell that to the people who made the Murmansk run, particularly PQ 17. Total BS, Otus. Sheriff Taylor says your jail cell is ready for your to sleep it off.

        • Otus

          If you want to prove a point you need to give arguments, not statements.

          PS And who the f is sheriff Taylor?

          • Marcd30319

            Facts. And why don;t you google sheriff Taylor and find out on your own.

          • Otus

            Then you do not understand the meaning of the word “fact”.
            PS Taylor is nothing to me; your call

          • Marcd30319

            Neither do you. And lazy, too.

      • Andre

        The United States contributed as much materiel to the Soviet Union as it used for its own armies from D-Day until VE-Day.

        Because the US provided the USSR with Studebaker trucks, the Soviets could concentrated on T-34 production and also maneuver their infantry more rapidly than the Germans ever could, which was illustrated in Bagration and subsequent operations.

        Allied aid from Great Britain, Canada and the United States was essential to the Soviet war effort. In addition, the Western Allies tied up most of the Luftwaffe for the duration of the war, forced Germany to sacrifice tank for flak cannon production, absorbed the last German offensive and either tied-down or destroyed German transport in North Africa and Western Europe. In the Mediterranean Theater, the German soldiers had a much higher ratio of trucks, aircraft and tanks per soldier than on the Eastern Front.

        • Otus

          ==The United States contributed as much materiel to the Soviet Union as it used for its own armies from D-Day until VE-Day.

          11 billion dollars in total. That much? Really doubt. Anyway, 3-4% of the Soviet total military production

          ==Because the US provided the USSR with Studebaker trucks, the Soviets could concentrated on T-34 production

          Not true. Studebakers allowed to produce light tanks, T-34 had all different.

          == and also maneuver their infantry more rapidly

          True

          ==than the Germans ever could,

          Not true. Appr. 100k Studebakers would not be enough to become faster than Germans

          ==Allied aid from Great Britain, Canada and the United States was essential to the Soviet war effort.

          True but USSR contributed incomparably more.

          ==the Western Allies tied up most of the Luftwaffe for the duration of the war,

          Not true. Appr. 50% from the second half of 43 – i. e. after Stalingrad and Kursk. Too late to claim it was vital.

          • Andre

            Well I actually calculated it months ago during the same debate with another commentator. One could break down the materiel support any number of ways e.g. by offensive or year or on a pro rata basis.

            The speed of Soviet infantry during Bagration and subsequent operations was faster than that of the Germans during 1941. Even during the Battle of France, the German infantry were less mobile than their Allied counterparts.

            Your Luftwaffe figures are completely wrong. From July 1942, the Luftwaffe East operated less than 50% of total aircraft and less than 45% of total combat aircraft; these proportions fell to 36% and 30%, respectively, by January 1945. In comparison, the total aircraft devoted to the Western Allies grew from 51% in July 1942 to 64% by January 1945, with combat aircraft rising from 55% to 70% for the same period.

            In addition, it is interesting to note that after the Normandy invasion, the Western Allies accounted for more than 50% of German AFV losses, while Soviet AFV losses fell from 98% of production to 86% between 1943 and 1944 (an unsustainable rate without Allied intervention).

          • Otus

            ==faster than that of the Germans during 1941

            Waw! What an argument! Don’t you think that the speed depends not only on the number of wheels? The Red Army made a substantial effort to slow down the enemy in 1941 0 and finally stopped it. Wehrmacht failed in 1944.

            ==One could break down the materiel support any number of ways e.g. by offensive or year or on a pro rata basis

            Either way it would show that Hitler was stopped without any material Western help. Which does not deny that it saved many lives and shortened the war later.

            I have no time at the moment to argue on air force numbers and losses. may be later

          • Andre

            You’re not engaging with the points made. Without Western assistance either with materiel, other fronts or the Normandy invasion, the Soviet Union would have lost and been pushed beyond the Urals. Period.

            The Eastern Front quickly transitioned from joint maneuver warfare to ground-based attrition, primarily because the Luftwaffe was engaged over German-occupied Europe and in North Africa, because mechanized transport was lavished on the Afrika Korps at the expense of the Eastern army groups and because production of anti-air artillery became a priority.

            The Red Army’s vast losses had more to do with Soviet incompetence from 1940-1943, and German losses from 1942 on were the result of a lack of joint force support, particularly airpower and transport.

    • they would have lost, big time..their whole army moved on ford trucks…

      • Sam Graff

        Studebaker trucks, not Ford. Bell aircraft, too, with 37 mm nose guns, managed to knock out a lot if Panzers for Uncle Jie.

        • Otus

          So much fun to read Americans’ beliefs about WWII… So, P-39 fighter planes were knocking out German tanks with 37-mm nose guns??? Fighter planes?! OMG. Tell me more)))

    • John B. Morgen

      Two convoy seasons were suspended by the British Admiralty due to the KMS Tirpitz threat. The Red Army was just barely holding on against the German Heer (Army) in 1942.

  • Ned_Kelly_707

    IN YOUR FACES, IVAN!

  • John B. Morgen

    Maybe next time we should stop being polite with the Russians, just give them three warnings to stay clear, if they do [NOT] comply then the Russians will be taking their chances of being rammed by an American super aircraft carrier. Then Russia would have lost a sloop—quite needlessly. Enough with these Russian games!

  • sferrin

    Imagine China’s reaction were the US to send a ship that close to their carrier.

  • Yea but the non aggression pact with Hitler in 1939 allowed Germany to go to war. Also our Russian allies helped to defeat Poland. What if Poland was only fighting the Germans? Russia alone has never conquered Poland. 1920’s for one example. Yada, Yada, Yada, about all the other crap. A enemy of my enemy is is a friend. Stalin was the biggest killer in post the post WW1 era. He killed about 1/3 more people, mostly ethnic Russians, then Hitler. Putin, who knows?

    • Otus

      Oh, really? Didn’t Hitler take Austria and shared parts of Czechoslovakia between Germany and Poland without any non-aggression pact, with a blessing of the West? Didn’t the USSR propose a pact to France and England first? Didn’t Poland obstruct the negotiations?
      And why should I blame Stalin for choosing the only available option at the time when Hitler was about to eat Poland and to move the boundary of the next war eastwards?

      ==He killed about 1/3 more people, mostly ethnic Russians, then Hitler.

      Ok, the number of victims of WWII exceeds 60,000,000. Of them, Hitler is responsible for at least 45,000,000. So, you claim what, Stalin killed kind of 30-40,000,000 ethnic Russians? Proof?

  • Marcd30319

    Courtesy of Lend-Lease.

    • Otus

      Yes, that is what your propaganda is telling. If you make an effort to check the facts you will realise that the US contribution was not critical. 3-4% of the total Soviet military production and coming en masse only after Stalingrad

      • Marcd30319

        No, that’s what history says.

  • redgriffin

    Ask any tar you happen to meet what’s the best tuna Chicken of the Sea.

  • Jim Valle

    Man oh man! Did this thread ever veer off course! Let’s look at the video tape, shall we. The Gravely is overtaking the Russian frigate thus burdened under the Rules of the Road but she is keeping a reasonable distance off. As she passes the Russian ship, which is supposed to maintain her course and speed under the rules, actually begins a turn to port and eventually ends up directly astern of the Gravely while still maintaining some distance. Perhaps the two ships should have kept more distance between them but how is this an incident? Was the Russian attempting to make some kind of run on the Truman? I’m assuming the carrier was somewhere over on the port side of the Gravely. Is there a US version of this tape?

    • Horn

      At 0:34, you can see the carrier over the Gravely’s bow.

    • USNVO

      From the tape it is not clear that the Gravely was overtaking, the initial part of the tape seem to show both ships on roughly parallel courses and speeds so it appears that the Gravely was blocking the Russian from something on its port side. There would of course be no risk of collision. If she had been overtaking, you would have seen more relative motion.

      There is also a clear break in the tape at the 20 second mark so obviously some of the tape was cut, probably when the port turn was ordered. It is pretty clear that the Gravely sped up to avoid the Russian ship which maneuvered in violation of COLREGS although she never appeared to turn until after the Russian crossed her wake when she came left which would also be consistent with blocking. She went from the Russians port bow to the starboard bow and still between the carrier and the Russian.

    • Ed L

      I agree with you, The Gravely is overtaking, and looking at the USS Gravely wake she is making. He the Russian turned to fall in behind the Gravely. Off course the editing the Russians did of the video makes it appear to the untrained eye that the Gravely was in the wrong.

  • Hugh

    “it was restricted in its ability to maneuver” – all shipping needs to keep clear of aircraft carriers, especially any with manoeuvring restrictions!

  • the russians are whining about that!!…..they are such lightweights!

  • olesalt

    Don’t ever trust the Russians Navy & Military, like their athletes at the past Olympics, they will cheat, lie whenever they can to gain advantage over their opponents.

  • bee bop

    They failed to mention whether we tooted our horn(twice) for a pass to port. Our guys need the national safe boating course! I was expecting to see a boogy board with the speed they were booking.

  • Marcd30319

    Cold War at Sea by David F. Winkler (Naval Institute Press, 2000) provides excellent coverage about Soviet-US naval interactions at sea leading up to the 1972 U.S.–Soviet Incidents at Sea agreement.

    Incidents involving the Soviet intelligence-gathering trawler Gidrofon interfering with U.S. carrier operations at Yankee Station became so notorious and numerous in 1966 that Under Secretary of States U. Alexis Johnson personally protested to Soviet Ambassador Antatoly Dobrynin (see p. 32). Another Soviet tactic was to disrupt underway replenishment operation between U.S. warships by steaming through our formations (see p. 33). Sometimes, Soviet provocations turned deadly such as when a Tu-16 bomber made a low-level pass in front the the carrier Essex only to crash into the water in 1968. (see p. 60).

    Finally, protecting the carrier is the priority for its escort screen and this concept was practice by the US Navy even after the end of the Cold War (see Tom Clancy. Carrier, pp. 273-274). The Russian know this, and they should follow INCSEA and its successors.

    • Andre

      I thoroughly enjoyed the Tu-16’s folly…like an airshow gone wrong…

      Unfortunately, the pilots out of Kaliningrad and Crimea today seem better trained…

      • Secundius

        Right? Better Trained! Just Like the Air Crew of the Tupolev Tu-95M “Bear” (Monkey Model), that Crashed in July 2015. Because the Air Crew WERE “A” Transport Crew and NOT “A” Bomber Crew. Excellent Training…

        • Andre

          The VKS has increased flying time since the ’90s, but like all of Putin’s modernization/professionalism efforts, the results are no doubt well below their targets. Nor do I believe that their SVP-24 targeting system gives much accuracy to their dumb bombs.

          • Secundius

            Sounds to much like the Famed Norden Bombsight of WW2…

  • Testerty

    Didn’t US said everybody should have freedom of navigation in international water? So why are they trying to block a Russian ship minding its own business sailing in the Mediterranean?

    • Secundius

      BIG DIFFERENCE between “Minding Your Own Business” and BEING a Navigational Threat to Other Naval Ship’s Doing THEIR Business…

      • Testerty

        It is obvious the US warship cuts in front of the Russian deliberately.

        • Secundius

          “Obvious”‘ RIGHT?/! Russian Frigate in a Fleet of Ships NOT of their Country (type of Nation State FLAGS) and Communications Traffic ( NOT “Russian”), “OBVIOUS”…

          • Testerty

            You seems incapable of understanding nobody owns international water. The Russian ship was harassed for minding their own business because somebody thinks they own the entire international water.

          • Secundius

            If a Carrier Battle Group of 11 to 20 Ship’s, “Harassed” a Lone Russian Frigate, IT’S Doubtful that the Lone Russian Frigate. Would have SURVIVED to TELL Their Side of the Story…

          • Testerty

            Well, that is the message to the world isn’t it? Aircraft Carrier Gunboat diplomacy.

          • Secundius

            I Really Like the PRC’s version of Gunboat Diplomacy? You Know, the type where they Offer a Third World Country a Better Infrastructure, YET ONLY, sending Ten of Thousands of Chinese Workers to BUILD that Infrastructure. “COLONIZATION”, Terraforming, the PRC way of Gunboat Diplomacy.

          • Testerty

            You silly. That is not gunboat diplomacy. It is called Fifth Column. Go read it up.

          • Secundius

            Which ever way you look at it? The Outcome is Still the Same!

          • Testerty

            Yup, the Chinese are very productive people in making babies. Win by the numbers. Try to catch up, will ya?

          • Secundius

            The ONLY problem being, is How Far the PRC is willing to go. Most of the Fifth Column Countries in Question. Can be Extremely Ruthless, when it comes to “Staving Off” unwanted guests. Especially in Africa…

          • Testerty

            You want to get rid of rich Chinese driving your economy in your country? Yup, I though so.

          • Secundius

            Right? Outsourcing to the PRC is DRIVING the PRC’s Economy. NOT OUR’S…

          • Testerty

            You life is better off when you can buy cheap Chinese products, isn’t it? Look around your house and tell me your economy is not depended on Chinese workers?

          • Secundius

            I prefer Quality, over a Cheap Knockoff…

          • Testerty

            Liar. You are clearly typing on a Made in China keyboard and mouse.

          • Secundius

            I Own a Getac V110 Laptop Computer…

          • Testerty

            The Getac V110 has its screen made in China. The fan too. The plastic keys too. h,mmm. wait a minute, the battery too. Did you said oppppsss?

          • Secundius

            But it’s Mil-Std. and NOT Mil-Spec.!/? Being Wheelchair Handicapped, YOU’RE Hard On ANY Thing that Sits in/on Your Lap…

          • Testerty

            Made in China, eh?

  • Ed L

    I wonder if any of the sailors on the Russian Vessel, are related to the Russian Sailors I briefly meet in Alexandria Egypt (1974) Our ship was visiting and at a cafe four of us sat down next to a group of 5 Russian Sailors. One was looking for a smoke but he was out. I toss them a pack of cowboy killers which they share but then a Russian Officer came over and order them away. Being in Uniform we all stood up and saluted the Russian officer, He was surprise by our salute. We later figure out he was a LT. But he returned it and left. The Beer wasn’t too bad but it was european.

  • publius_maximus_III

    Too bad she couldn’t start making smoke after she passed that frigger (cough, cough).

  • OLDNAVYVET

    Just a little “Nose Tweaking!”