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Russian Mystery Submarine Likely Deployment Vehicle for New Nuclear Torpedo

A rendering of the Project 09851 nuclear submarine Khabarovsk used with permission. H I Sutton Image

A rendering of the Project 09851 nuclear submarine Khabarovsk used with permission. H I Sutton Image

Russia’s plan to create a giant nuclear torpedo capable of wiping out a costal city could be farther along than just graphics on a briefing slide and gives purpose to a mysterious nuclear submarine, currently under construction.

Last month the Kremlin leaked its plan to develop the new Status-6 (or Kanyon) strategic weapon under the guise of a state controlled television feed accidentally catching a glimpse of the program overview.

The torpedo, according to the leaked details, is designed to “destroy important economic installations of the enemy in coastal areas and cause guaranteed devastating damage to the country’s territory by creating wide areas of radioactive contamination, rendering them unusable for military, economic or other activity for a long time,” according to a translation of the document by the BBC.

A rendering of the Status-6 nuclear torpedo used with permission. H I Sutton Image

A rendering of the Status-6 nuclear torpedo used with permission. H I Sutton Image

According to the leaked images, the Status-6 maybe as large as 80 feet long and powered by a nuclear reactor to give the torpedo a range of thousands of miles to deploy a warhead of up to 100 megatons.

The existence of the weapon also presents the best explanation yet to a mysterious submarine laid done last year in Russia’s Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk.

The Project 09851 nuclear submarine Khabarovsk has some similarities its new Borei-class of ballistic missile submarines but shorter and absent any ballistic missiles tubes.

Instead, according to study of the imagery by naval analyst H I Sutton, Khabarovsk is being custom built to field up to six of the Status-6 torpedoes.

Sutton determined the Khabarovsk design follows on a similar configuration found on the test submarine Sarov launched in 2007 that could also accommodate a torpedo the size of Status-6.

A comparison of the Sarov and Khabarovsk submarines used with permission. H I Sutton Image

A comparison of the Sarov and Khabarovsk submarines used with permission. H I Sutton Image

“The leaked graphic strongly hints toward the Khabarovsk having two side-by-side hulls in the bow,” wrote Sutton.
“The basic reason behind this arrangement is that the torpedoes have to fire forward, and are carried externally to the occupied pressure hulls.”

The configuration would create a first-of-its-kind strategic weapons platform purpose built to sidestep the growing effectiveness of American ballistic missile defense (BMD) systems.

Just before the reveal of Status-6 on state television, Russian president Vladimir Putin told military officials the U.S. ballistic missile defense Aegis Ashore installation in Romania and Poland were, “an attempt to undermine the existing parity in strategic nuclear weapons and essentially to upset the whole system of global and regional stability.”
While little about the Status-6 or the purpose Khabarovsk can be proved definitively at the moment — the attention the disclosure has generated does benefit the Russian military-industrial complex.

A briefing slide of the alleged Status-6 nuclear torpedo captured from Russian television via the BBC

A briefing slide of the alleged Status-6 nuclear torpedo captured from Russian television via the BBC

“Ship, submarine and weapons exports remain a major source of income for the Russian economy and news of new advanced Russian mystery weapons and submarines, regardless of whether they ever enter production or not, helps enhance their reputation on the international arms market, and also contributes to a growing pride the Russian people feel regarding their defense forces,” Eric Wertheim — naval analyst and author of U.S. Naval Institute’s Combat Fleets of the World — told USNI News on Thursday.

Still, the emergence of the weapon has registered official concern from U.S. officials.

“We are concerned about [Status-6] as a threat to the United States, but if it turns into a system that is widely put into operational deployment,” Rose Gottemoeller, undersecretary of state for arms control and international security, told the House on Tuesday.
“I think it is a troubling system.”

  • Curtis Conway

    Time to stand up the ASW patrols in the Pacific and WestLant patrols areas.

    • PolicyWonk

      I’m sure glad the US Navy is buying two classes of the mighty “Littoral Combat Ship” to counter this kind of threat (sarcasm intended).

      We should be increasing the number of Virginia-class SSN’s we purchase (with the VPM option), and buy a fleet of AIP boats, and forward base them in troubled regions.

      These nuclear-powered torpedoes seem like a pretty nasty weapons system that at first look could start yet another types of arms race.

      • Curtis Conway

        I would put a Squadron of AIP boats in Bermuda and Hawaii so fast your head would spin.

        • Ctrot

          At the end of the 15 year R&D, 5 year building of the first hull and 2 year trials. 😉

          • Curtis Conway

            How many years have we been having this debate?

          • Ctrot

            Long enough to have designed and built a dozen AIP boats.

          • Secundius

            @ Ctrot.

            All they have to do is, Dust Off the USN 2007 SSK Plan Copies and Update Them…

        • PolicyWonk

          I would’ve thought Diego Garcia, Australia, the Philippians, UAE, or maybe the Azores, or somewhere in the Med (Gibraltar, perhaps).

          Just curious – why Hawaii and Bermuda? They’re both pretty far from where our potential adversaries are (for AIP boats).

          • Curtis Conway

            One of the few platforms that gives our subs problems is the AIP boats. Russian and Chinese patrols in the Pacific and Russians in the WestLand patrol area will require a very quiet adversary to watch them.

            A US made AIP boat would have longer legs and submerged time. It is my belief that the US Navy should have began a program of record some time ago to build our own less expensive AIP submarines and help Taiwan, and Australia with the same. Lost opportunity in my book. Our AIP boat would have competed against anyone in range, submerged time, and speed.

            NavySubNuc probably has a clearer crystal ball here though. I just hunted submarines. At any rate we MUST renew these patrols because the adversaries have, or are beginning the patrols again.

      • Marcus Jones

        Seawolf class would be better suited for that task. That is what they were designed and built for.

      • draeger24

        AIP’s…surely you jest….build more SEAOWOLFs and VIRGINIAs….

        • PolicyWonk

          No – I don’t jest. We can purchase 3 AIP boats (easily) for the price of ONE Virginia. Don’t get me wrong – Virginias are great boats – and I recommend AIP boats in addition to the SSN’s.

          But our navy came out a poor second to the AIP boats in war games – and we need the coverage. And we can forward base them in the littorals they are so well suited for at a fraction of the price. And, as an added bonus, we’d have something to sell Taiwan.

          • draeger24

            I think you place too much on AIP – it has many drawbacks, especially their vulnerability in any environment that is not shallow water….they are not as quiet as you think. To what characteristcs do you apply to their being superior?

          • PolicyWonk

            I look at their performance in war games against our own military – where we got our clock cleaned. Really cleaned.

            And the whole point of AIP boats is that they are ideal for stationing in shallow water – which is exactly why we’d forward base them.

          • draeger24

            Wonk, I can agree that we might want to testbed them, but they have such limited ability, especially for on-station time and mission flexibility which the VIRGINIAs possess (finally, as 688’s were limited in some respects, especially in the littorals, but it fit the mission at the time). The diesel AIP isn’t as quiet as one may think, and they have to turn them on at some point for recharging batteries, a vulnerability that simply “wait” tactics can overcome vice a time-encapsulated exercise. They don’t have to snorkle, which is an advantage, but the torodial hull also has some disadvantages with all the O2 in them. Anyway, the design for manned submersibles for this is a long way off – the Maritalia boats were a disaster. Good conversation, though. GOD Bless.

        • Secundius

          @ Sandy.

          Time is a Luxury WE (the USA) SIMPLY doesn’t Have!
          Virginia class: Cost ~$3.0-Billion/Unit…Build Time ~4.25-years.
          Seawolf class: Cost ~$3.6-Billion/Unit…Build Time ~6-years.
          Jimmy Carter class: ~$4.0-Billion/Unit…Build Time ~7-years…

          • draeger24

            well, I disagree…we don’t need JV boats…Carter was a one-time build…Virginia is the way to go….

  • sferrin

    “The 80s called, they want their Cold War back. Hurrrr,durrr hurrr hurrr” – Barack Obama..

    • Ctrot

      I’m stealing that. 😉

    • draeger24

      Because of Obugger and Hillary, they have it back….

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  • bobbymike34

    We need to elevate the nuclear mission with a ‘Manhattan Project II’ accelerated and rapid reconstitution of the Triad with new delivery vehicles armed with brand new warheads from active production lines.

    • Secundius

      @ boobymike34.

      In a Virtual World, that might happen (sic. “SIM’s”). In the REAL, Never Going To Happen. You can Program Virtual, you can’t in REAL…

      • R’ Yitzchak M

        That is the program we gave to the China remember that.. spy “exchange” event? Not just a “simulation” capabilities but a design software that is tailor made with the artificial intelligence that will provide you suggestions for the various scenarios and circumstances as well.. Like: “what if..??”

        • Secundius

          @ R’ Yitzchak M.

          I don’t think there’s Enough RAM-space in the Known Universe to Program in “What If”…

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            Secundius in the 1990’s IBM came with the program called Visual Age (artificial intelligence driven data farming) US and Canada had a program called “Carnivore” similar to the IBM’s Tivoli program which can access in the network any computer without host being aware of it. Modify the settings, data, or just watch what the guys are doing.. as well to turn it on and off at will (providing the station has a ROM chip set to wake up on demand.) Carnivore in 80-90’s could access any system online and get trough your disc even after multiple formatting supposedly your erased incriminating data.. as well turning into the system. Supposedly encrypted data is a joke.. IBM and Microsoft have to release a “key” for every software with the encryption of 128K and up. Local major bank was considering the encryption on their notebooks 2 BOYS not older than 26 (with 2 and 1.5 million $ income a year they were network security boys) broke an 256K encryption code in less than 10 minutes by using the SHAREWARE software. So NSA complaining about the luck of access is a farce probably very purposeful FARCE to gain more favors for the unlimited surveillance on EVERYBODY. Case in point there is the newest program instead of “Carnivore” it is called Norwalk DATA HARWESTING software utilizes artificial intelligence to data harvesting application that NSA, CIA and Canadian RCMP uses.. its “glorious” application was utilized to shut down rising star in the Israeli politics. By seeing multiple attempts to utilize IRS and even Homeland Security to badger “unpopular” senator or few.. not to talk about those “civilians” Tea Party members where the wrath of IRS bureaucracy was unlashed. This “Norwalk” software is made for intimidation, blackmail and personal ruin an artificial intelligence that can create an monster even out of “Mother Teresa” so artificial intelligence is first time utilized to actually create a ARTIFICIAL POLITICAL REALITY so “RAM” issues are long gone in a technical sense data population is the only restriction as long you have data generated harvester you could be surprised what silicon can come with..

    • NavySubNuke

      Shoot at this point I would be happy if we stood up a pit production line! But the rest of the list is needed as well – along with resuming testing of warheads —- especially life extended warheads that use new components and technologies that have never actually been fully tested to completion.

  • scott

    if its nuclear powered why would you need a sub to carry it? why not just release it from a shoreline somewhere?

    • Vincent Ang Giap Hor

      Very good point.

    • Secundius

      @ scott.

      Probably because they want to make sure it actually get’s there…

    • Marcus Jones

      Nuke bomb not reactor. The propulsion system isn’t nuclear just the explosive payload.

      • NavySubNuke

        Incorrect – at least according to the information leaked above — it is nuclear powered and has a nuclear warhead.

      • scott

        look again, its nuclear propulsion also

      • Marcus Jones

        Scott and NavySubNuke, I stand corrected. I understand the payload idea which is a 50 year old concept but adding the weight and space of a reactor seems odd to me. This thing wouldn’t need to be fast and in fact slower would probably be better for a whole range of reasons. New more efficient batteries and electric motors would be the way to go. Quiet with long legs.

    • draeger24

      correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t about a third of the cruise missiles launched by the Russian ships land in Iran? I think reliability dictates they launch as closely as possible….

      • scott

        nothing but the open ocean between us and them. so if it can run for 20 miles then it can run for 2000 or 20000…

        • draeger24

          I think you are missing my point on Russian reliability

          • scott

            I’m not but it is simple in nature to have a prop and fins to guide it to its target. I wonder how fast they intend to make it and if it would have a low speed cruise or a high speed sprint? not to mention the radiation that it would put out when critical.

      • scott

        it wouldn’t be difficult. if you can navigate it 20 miles then you can do 2000. most of it is open ocean

        • Secundius

          @ scott.

          Your Losing Perspective, From Space a “Desert” is Large Open Featureless Plain, just like the Ocean. From Sea Level it’s a Different Story. What Was Featureless from Space has Ridges, Ravines, Valley’s, Dip’s, (Imperfections). Same with the Ocean, most of the Atlantic Ocean is “Green Water” (600-meters or less). Plus the Added Hazards of Life Living in a 3-Dimensional Universe (too many things to run into). And the Occasional Ship out of Place, due to Navigational Error, or Whatever Other Problems…

          • scott

            true but if you make it run maybe 60 feet down it would avoid surface traffic and the bottom. except for a fishing net theres nothing for it to hit

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            A “Fully Ladened” Supertanker’s Draft will Submerge from the Waterline to a Depth of about 80-feet…

          • scott

            100 feet then….but again with nuclear propulsion it shouldn’t matter how far it runs because it will have unlimited range.. but i do question how you will get the propulsion started on a sub. you would have to make the reactor critical in order to generate the heat needed. that would cause radiation. not a problem in the water but it would be an issue inside a sub

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            It’s STILL has to come the Surface from Time-To-Time, To get Communications Instruction Updates and Get a Navigational Bearing Fix…

          • scott

            it could use internal guidance . but when this is used we will probably be dead already because it’s a second strike weapon . the missiles would have already launched

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            The “Problem” with Inertial Navigation is, ANY Magnet Anomaly (like an Underwater Active Volcano) is going to have an effect on the Navigation System. Like “Throwing Off Magnetic North”. Any “Storm” you encounter is also going to play havoc on the Navigation System, even at 100-feet below the surface. And the Atlantic Ocean is ANYTHING, but a “Calm” Ocean…

          • scott

            true but it is accurate enough for a nuke. besides the russians , just like us , map the magnetic field just because of this.

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            Yeah, but “Plate Tectonics” is a 24/7/365 event. What was a INCH off in 2014, might be a FOOT off in 2016…

          • scott

            true but just like horseshoes and hand grenades close is good enough

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            .. place and the timing?

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            .. I remember that the main concern for the Tsar was of tectonic in nature that caused 4 times global crust wave crust in relation to the molten mass is like shell of the egg there is 6300km Earth’s radius yet only 5 – 20km is the Earth’s crust about 1% is solid and the rest is mostly lava. So crust surfing the waves of lava would not be a healthy proposition for the planet?

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            The sonar is similar to the radar but with quite less sensitive to the jamming and the natural anomalies/ It could use artificially and naturally set references.. I don’t know if you are that “seasoned” in the 60-70 there were simple metal triangular radar deflectors which made excellent guidance for the missiles and the F-111 it gave quite distinct and fairly precise references.. Sonar could also be active and “passive” if pings could be remotely activated, speed of that object and if able to make random corrections to its course could be an real nightmare especially if it would be silent, and stealthy which I doubt with a such a speed it has to have issue with sound and thermal issues which would also constitute quite a sound “broadcasting” which could be perhaps utilized instead of “ping” for the utilization of that sonar?

          • Secundius

            @ R’ Yitzchak M.

            I doubt Putin is going to Waste Money on Excessive Shielding on Either the Nuclear-Power Core or Soundproofing the Steam Turbine. After all, what’s a Few Russian Naval Personnel Live’s to Putin’s “Grand Scheme” of the New Russian Empire in HIS Vision of Empire Building…

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            My friend it is an option he does not have luxury to play with it is of existential importance AND it is a ONLY ONE SHOT DEAL there is no requiem after that one..

          • Marcus Jones

            It doesn’t need to be all that accurate.

          • Marcus Jones

            Deeper than that.

  • jeffrey exposito

    I dont know why the press is stupid and naive enough to believe the obvious Russian disunformation on the so called Status 6 long range nuckear torpedo. The Pentagon already concluded with good reason that the so called leak was an intentinal Kremlin disinformation scheme intended to cause fear and nothing more. Such a project is un feasible and is just another one of Putins fantasy weapons that will never be operational.

    • Ryan Snaca AniloHectycle

      You keep telling yourself that.

  • Arbuthnaught

    There is too much about this whole nuclear torpedo episode that does not make sense. There is so much about it that screams psy-op. The “leak” on Russian national tv just seems a bit improbable., Russia has proven and more reliable means of delivering nuclear weapons than a torpedo traveling a great distance, not under the control of a human operator, susceptible to interception and failure of a complex nuclear propulsion system. A long range conventional torpedo could do almost the same thing though the mother ship would have to come in closer.

    It was always rumored that the “midget sub” sightings all over the Baltic during the cold war and perhaps recently were Russians practicing putting nuclear demolition charges in Nato reinforcement ports. If Russia was developing a sub and torpedo for that mission that was a bit “bigger and better” then that would be more believable to me.

    • R’ Yitzchak M

      I believe it has something to do with their new hydrodynamic solutions playing with frontal bubble / hydro flowing which exponentially increased the speed of the torpedo, made it almost undetectable because all tracking and queuing to the target of interest is based on the current technologically set paradigms. So they need an ongoing steam supply to create necessary flow of “air” in front of the torpedo.. in order to achieve ongoing and a steady speed. Necessary technology for a such a power plant exists since 70’s.. Remember the Voyager?

    • Secundius

      @ Arbuthnaught.

      NOT RUSSIA, But Putin! Vlad “the MAD”, has threaten at Least 3 NATO Countries (Norway,Denmark and Iceland) and 2 Non-Nato Countries Sweden and Finland with Nuclear Annihilation, since March of 2015. If they were to join the BMD Consortium, WHICH THEY DID.

      In 1500, there were about 6,000 “Oprichnina” living in Russia. Oprichnik, don’t Breed outside there Sect. Putin, is an Oprichnik. NEED I SAY MORE…

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  • emsteksrv

    Oh no! We’re losing our lead in drawings and graphics.

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  • Jim Valle

    The development of this kind of weapons system on the part of Russia seems to me to be dumb beyond the bounds of ordinary dumbness! The only thing they might accomplish with it is to lure us into spending umpteen billions to counter it. If they were ever to use it we would all be back to Mutually Assured Destruction days and what would that accomplish? As one of the World’s larger economies, a major fuel and raw materials exporter, a technologically sophisticated society and a significant agricultural producer, their best interests reside in trading peacefully with the rest of the World and improving the prospects and living standards of their people. They must be idiots not to be able to see that.

    • R’ Yitzchak M

      They are under their EXISTENTIAL threat right now.. The “game” of BALKANIZATION a war of attrition accomplished what Patton wanted after the war to arm Russian enemies to kill the Russia by helping in metastasis of the local cancer cells arming them and letting slow and painful process of national implosion. Russians had a MODEL how that works on based on Yugoslavia – Serbian destruction for the last 35 years. So they have no choices left

  • “I think it is a troubling system.”

    An understatement of the year! Firstly, if this is a real capability, and not ‘maskirovka’, then this suggests an entirely new type of nuclear weapons delivery capability alongside land-based ICBMs, submarine based SLBMs and manned bombers – so the notional ‘triad’ becomes a ‘quad’ (is that the correct term?). That complicates not only nuclear strategy but existing and future arms control and non-proliferation, as well as verification and monitoring of agreements.

    Secondly, and perhaps more importantly, this weapon has a ‘salted warhead’ – jacketed with Cobalt. The last time Cobalt weapons were seriously considered was the 1950s, and then both the United States and the Soviet Union decided that Cobalt jacketed bombs were strategically nonsensical – yet here we are in the 21st Century with Russia re-introducing such weapons. By the way, it was Cobalt bombs – lots of them – that was the basis for the Russian doomsday machine in ‘Dr Strangelove’.

    This weapon is a counter-value weapon, designed to be used against large urban areas and inflicting massive and long-lasting radiation contamination. The Cobalt jackets, combined with an underwater detonation would unleash nuclear tsunamis of highly radioactive water and a slurry of radioactive moisture over cities, and if a 100 megaton yield is for real, then the devastation would be horrendous. Work it out – what percentage of Americans live along or close to coastal areas, and how many cities would be contaminated for decades or longer. Imagine New York, Washington, Los Angeles, San Francisco, and so on – like Chernobyl.

    So I have to wonder about the strategic sense of this weapon (once again, assuming it is real) because its use would force the US to respond with a massive nuclear response against Russian cities – its back to Massive Retaliation of the Eisenhower era. Yet its delivery system from offshore by submarines makes it much more destabilizing than ICBMs. What are the Russians thinking when they design weapons like this???

    • Secundius

      @ Dr. Malcolm Davis.

      Unfortunately, the “Soviet’s” DID Design, Build, and Detonate several Lithium-Bombs or “Tsar Bomb” was detonated in the Arctic Circle 30 October 1961. And Yield between 55-60 Megatons, and that was the SMALLER of the Bombs…

      • Yes I know – but they were different from Cobalt jacketed weapons, which produce very intense and long-lasting radioactivity. If these are for real, the Russians are playing a very nasty and dangerous move.

        • Secundius

          @ Dr. Malcolm Davis.

          No Recorded Record Exists, but it was Rumored that a “Non-Descript” Cargo Ship that is Manned 24/7/365, and Doesn’t Go Anywhere. Is actually “A Doomsday Device” order built by Nikita Khrushchev with a Lithium Warhead in EXCESS of 10,000 Megatons with the Added Bonus. That being a “Dirty Bomb” As Well…

      • R’ Yitzchak M

        Secundius if you remember there was quite a bit a “fuss” over the “Tzar” you are right it was “estimated” to be within the range of 55-60 Megatons it was a hydrogen bomb it yields relatively small radiation if I remember correctly just a mile in radius is radioactively lethal but around 100 miles soil would crystalize especially if activated at its optimal height approximately 3,000m for maximum light/heat and psi impact (which actually caused earth to buckle multiple times). My understanding is from recent studies that lethal radiation from the hydrogen bombs is fairly limited as opposed to the Neutron bombs where the lethality is limited mainly to the radiation. 100Kt bomb is Nuclear in nature thus cobalt coating and nature of device is mainly toward the fallout and Impact. 1000m depth is mainly for the evasion – detection concern sake not to be detected by us. Because ocean also has its own “weather” generators and different temperature layers makes IR and radar detection lot harder. I would not be surprised that it would have a passive sonar that would follow home on pre set reference point to be perhaps remotely activated from few strategically placed sources. We have similar devices throughout the interesting ocean floors. BUT main thing is to utilize terror of fallout to paralyze West Coast and East coast (weather permit.. such as hurricanes etc.) It is an act of desperation they might not benefit from it at the end but China WILL.
        In “short” I believe that its main purpose would be as a radiation generator and foremost “tectonic plates stimulators” if strategically placed it would make quite an impact.. Remember Mt. St. Hellen it was a “messy affair” imagine multiples of those i.e. Yellow Knife volcano would wipe all US and Canada and decent chunk of the Northern Europe.. The main impact to the surface is multiplied by the depth of the target like “firecracker” in the fist as opposed to the over the surface explosion. It could make a quite a difference.

        • Secundius

          R’ Yitzchak M.

          Glade to see you back! Your Name DIDN’T Register with ME at First. As I Recall, the Soviet’s produced THREE “Tsar” Bombs of Various Yields, and This was the Smallest of the Three. And, the Soviet’s weren’t 100% SURE that the Largest of the THREE. Wasn’t going to DESTROY ALL LIFE on the Planet, or JUST VAPORIZE IT…

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            I remember I owe you a big time response from the last conversation you ARE 100 % on the mark that is the core what makes the nation.. ITS VALUES. And in spite of GENERAL “crowd management” the fiber of the making of the great nation is still intact in spite of the efforts of “various” community organizers.. efforts to undo that. Cynical “snake oil salesmen’s” bunch of ex-lawyers are selling the “snake oil” to us “the Jury” and the Republican Establishment.. and the Democrats are like ” the “Good Cop & the Bad Cop”? And we are worked on over and over again? It was interesting remember the Donald Trump releasing the private cell phone number of the R’ Senator Lindsey Graham? Senator Lindsey smashed his cell phone theatrically steaming mad.. and then he released Donald’s cel. phone number which when called come with the recording:” THANK YOU FOR CALLING PLEEEASE GIVE ME A JUST A MINUTE TO ASK YOU TO BE MY PARTNER IN MAKING THE AMERICA GREAT..” he used it as a TOOL another one used it to show his EGO and become a “tool” for a fool? Lindsey is very smart BUT has agenda and a moral luggage to make US a police state while DOING NOTHING for the safety of the US. Trump and the Carson are only TWO who actually had to WORK ON THE RESOLVING THE PROBLEMS instead of creating the one. Lawyers are the opposite if lawyer resolves the “issues” on first trial he is a “poor/bankrupt” lawyer if he masters the “art” of PROCRASTINATION he is a rich lawyer since over the 80% of “our” representatives ARE lawyers they are selling us the “jury” bill of goods for some time.. but this has nothing to do with who we are every city in the US has a common fiber of decency that is a making of the great nation. I believe Tom Cruz is a believer and ideolog like Margaret Thatcher and Ronald.. The most important and the most critical force of decency in the US is its military and a “TEA PARTY” both of them excel in a COMMON SENSE. Small business would not survive without a utility of the COMMON SENSE as well the military could not survive without a FIRM GRIP of the COMMON SENSE. So b.s. peddlers a side America will survive.
            On the TSAR “issues” it was at 60 Mt that was 4 times crust buckled after the explosion it was scientifically established that it was an actual threshold before crust would crack at the multiple places. Solid soil as well the athmosphere

        • Secundius

          @ R’ Yitzchak M.

          I’d be very much surprised if a Torpedo could actually Decend to 1,000-meters, without being “Crushed” by the Water Pressure…

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            Perhaps.. but the “head” could be modified for the event.. you know torpedo as a delivery for the “floor mines”, and the listening devices is nothing new and they do go quite deep. As a tectonic “stratigery” could be built on the two potential events one is a California basin and Yellow Knife National Park which is kind unstable and its volcanic “cork” is accelerating in its growth so it is an natural issue that could be just accelerated by the perhaps well synchronized and well “stimulated” event? But near surface detonation that would climatically follow the existing i.e. Warm Front going from the Gulf via hurricane or a tropical storm that would blanket the East Coast ESPECIALLY if dust created by the just earlier “conventional” H-Bombs events would be utilized by the multiple nuclear explosions and the steam generated and loaded with radiation would be carried over earlier classic H-bomb detonations (for an additional radioactive but more significantly “dew point” dust generated by the debris. But I still believe that at least 80% of its purpose would be West Coast as opposed to the East of course as a TACTICAL issues the few naval bases would be “juicy” targets but you remember on the Pacific tests it was surprising how the ships turned to be resilient to the H-Bomb effect and they were extremely close to the event itself. So the near the surface 100Kt as opposed 20Mt has to be taken into an account. Nuclear device has the only one “advantage” in fusion vs fission events is amount of radiation released and cobalt plated “dirty” packaged unit makes it obvious. But I truly believe it would be fairly simple calculus to find out “atmospheric pressure” on the surface and detonation under such pressure at the targeted surface how much yield would be needed to create such an event? I understand generally solid crust in the ocean is somewhere like 5km at the active volcanic areas even less. In the 60’s Russians were playing a LOT with the utility oh H- and A bombes as a tools of “excavation’s” of a vide blanketed areas (to create “massive channels” yes of course it was an idiotic attempt for a quick solution to for rather something only IDIOT in Vodkas induced stupor could “think” off. But they did play with the A and H bomb as the tools of “excavations” so I would not be surprised that lessons learned could not be utilized in a “doomsday STRATIGERY”?

    • Ryan Snaca AniloHectycle

      Winning.

  • John B. Morgen

    A SLCM is all the Russians really need, but [NOT] a nuclear powered torpedo that is armed with a nuclear warhead. This weapon system is a bit of a overkill for what it is designed for taking out coastal targets.

  • Mark Jhorr

    Its a good weapon in that it will cost hundreds of billions to defend against and render missile defense (which has cost about a kazillion dollars) completely impotent.

  • R’ Yitzchak M

    They had to go that route of “lateral” approach to delivery since conventional deliveries are in check by ABS.. But they made quite improvements in hydrodynamics flow with their torpedoes my understanding is that some reached speeds in excess of 500km/h? For that they do need nuclear power to create ongoing steam bubble in the front of the unit. Targets might not be “conventional” targets but i.e. spread of tactically spread nuclear charges along the lines of tectonic plates in “hope” to release catastrophic event like Yellowknife Park volcano, California massive earthquake as well huge underground natural gas “ticking bomb” source. Supposed 100kt might not be “movers” or “shakers” but fire cracker on the palm or in the fist is a huge difference in the effect.. so under the deep water strategically placed charges would create quite an effect.

  • R’ Yitzchak M

    The cobalt coating implies also utility of atmospheric “delivery” of radiation so detonation would be close to the surface to create a radioactive steam that would be carried by the atmosphere – wind, California has a warmer Troposphere which can be high as a 45-50,000ft ( I know it is generally at the Equator that high but in summer Tropopause could go that high in South California as well?) So radiation delivery would go across the US Southern continental plate. But my main concern is the tectonic targeting of the sensitive areas of interest.. for maximum effect. It is a true doomsday device. So California and not the E. Coast would be the main target because prevailing wind direction is from the west to the East. Cannery Island is another point of interest with the very interesting tectonic issues. I thing the main targeting would be radioactive SHALLOW detonation and tectonic for i.e. to trigger the Yellow Knife volcano event… which would be a catastrophic event. So MAD is no longer “optional” open to the event “escalation” but it is now an act of FINAL “EVENT” not open to the “escalation” options.. I.e. If Russia goes all out on Turkey making it into the moonscape and points to the Europe that it will be follow up on the continental Europe.. Russians can deliver with acceptable certainty only tactically all over continental Europe but not to the North America (without fear of significant attrition – losses as to the EXPECTED initial impact .. so there is a DOUBT to the effectiveness of the initial impact.. and the DOUBT is a variable that no strategist can afford at least not in a such a magnitude. So “escalation” was possible up to this point, I guess this shift suggests an true doomsday scenario where North American Continent would experience an “naturally caused” catastrophic event.

  • scott

    track a nuclear torpedo on its only journey.. by the time it makes the coast the missiles will have flown. these are secondary strike weapons.

    • R’ Yitzchak M

      Unless with the negative buoyancy they can “drop” to the floor for the tectonic event.. multiple warheads strategically spread and scientifically induced and well synchronized event could create catastrophic event.. but that also could be their Achilles’ heel.. Thus I do believe it is a FIRST STRIKE option while INCOMING ICBMs were launched it would help in attrition game if the coastal areas were blanketed with fallout and terror, catastrophic earthquake that would to some degree impede reaction and especially the reaction time. So I believe it is a first strike “designers choice” for the Ruskies. But Scott you are RIGHT in 99% of your assessment.. It could also be a warning weapons just to detonate few.. and advise that rest of them would be activated in an event that the broadcasting that prevents fusing would stop either by jamming or attempting to defuse those remaining warheads so there would be a starting point of RE-negotiations vis a vis ongoing war (still just a war of attrition which is recently quite escalated against the Russia)?

      • scott

        “warning weapons just to detonate few.” somehow i think that even one of these going off in a port would trigger a nuclear response by us. use 1 , might as well use them all. Now it would be good to send it into kings bay and groton to try to kill a few of our ssbn’s before they can launch

        • R’ Yitzchak M

          I really do not think it would be the cost effective device for the “fort” targeting 450-550mm with few kt would do that job those 100kt heads cobalt coated would address continental chaos utilizing the wind to carry it trough shallow explosion (there is a whole science for the optimal weather conditions (fine) dust particles to create dew point at a certain altitude.. Even classical MBT’s have the meteorological input before lobbing a “gift” to the another MBT. How much more so for a “game changer”? It is meant most likely for the West Coast because naturally wind direction is INLAND with fairly warmer climate which would elevate the cloud for higher altitude overpassing the Sierra Ridge carrying the radioactive moisture across the continent now if there are any surface explosion it will lift additional radioactive dust particles meeting and merging with incoming radioactive moisture it would be a perfect radioactive storm.
          But what I meant to say for the warning sake they can put just few charges along the ocean floor to simulate the effect on the continental tectonic crest yet leaving enough of the catastrophic charge to be remotely triggered by loss of signal that is fed by Russian source like satellite, submarine and even any naval vessel multiple sources and multiple buttons but all let say dozen of sources have to cease broadcasting for devices to be activated or by jamming or by interfering with the “integrity” of the device.. all other units would activate in unison. That I think their aim is primary to have three fold solution one the main is to perhaps try to reestablish a status quo? Bu using tectonic plate as an “experiment” a probe if you wish to measure the effect done in the international waters and re engaging in “TESTING” the nuclear devices under the sea.. but if decently placed and decently executed it will send the message. Another one is to go with massive tectonic assault on the West Coast and spraying shallow waters radiation steam generated storms for inland fallout.. especialy if there is a Gulf tropical storm or hurricane developing it would be a perfect timing to steer panic and if the earthquake and / or volcano is generated there would be a chaos which would permit a better impact to attrition ratio of conventional missiles. So I suspect when this “paradigm changer” would be ready and its first “experiment starts” there would be a job for the “fat lady to sing..” for the game is over for all of us on the planet.. at least for the most of the Northern hemisphere. Poetic “justice”? We the Homosapiens kind still have some Neanderthal genome in the most of us as the species’ they were wiped out by the volcano they failed to adapt.. because we are failing to adapt today we might face the same fate.

          • scott

            huh? actually i think that these weapons are supposed to negate our anti missile system. At 100 kt they wouldn’t have enough of an explosion to cause an earthquake. a localized tidal wave is likely though. the biggest thing though is that you couldn’t use the port anymore due to background radiation. That would stop any SSBN’s from coming in and rearming. but again any use of nukes by the russians would start and end WWIII.

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            Scott the surface and above surface psi impact is one thing from a decent 25mt radius lethality at 6.5 miles is 12pound per square inch 98% of the population would be dead. Within the radius of 10.7 miles pressure impact is from 12psi to 5 psi which would have make 50% of dead victims. Radius of 20 miles 5% of the population would be dead and 45% of population injured. Of that impact to put it into a context 15% casualties are due to Radiation at the optimal altitude of 3,000m
            Also heat dispersion will go about the close to the 30 seconds. Now for the 40 MT there is 30km distance of the FIRST DEGREE skin burn and “only” 5.4 km or LESS of the RADIATION induced death due to the both Neutron, and gamma rays. Now this data is due to standard H-Bomb atmospheric release for maximum yield of potential casualties not based on “dirty” cobalt induced radiation fallout which has to be “cocked” to the perfect condition and could create a huge lethal zone if combined with the optimal burst slightly under the oceanic surface that would have enough dust and salt particles in order to be combined as a condensation point and the dew point for the necessary fallout. NUCLEAR bomb has the most of the radioactive impact per kt / yield. So 100kt IS optimal charge for the maximum radioactive effect. Now on the tectonic issue it is fairly simple around the MERGING TECTONIC plates magma is very close to the surface placing multiple warheads along the merging crust would have the catastrophic consequences. You know example with the fire crackers put on the palm is one thing.. a surface burn? Put it into a fist.. and there is no longer fist? So under the significant water pressure on the top with multiple atmospheric pressure 100kt release would have exponentially more pressure on the ocean floor than on the soil surface. Palm or the fist? So few 100kt’s strategically placed could do the “trick” it is fairly simple calculus.. it is up to geologists to make the calculations and location of the globally vulnerable spots and do something to prevent the realization of that ghoulish scenario.

          • scott

            but this is a torpedo. its underwater , unless it has some sort of booster rocket to take it 1/2 mile up it’ll be a surface water explosion, to create a tsunami it would have to dive close to the bottom to allow the pressure wave max effect. Plus this is an enhanced radiation bomb

          • R’ Yitzchak M

            No this torpedo is not to “fly” over the surface I can see only 3 purposes “negotiation” near surface blast to collect radiation spread generated by the radioactive cloud and the third at the bottom of the ocean at or near merging tectonic plates a multiple 100kt would do the job.

          • scott

            but those plates are at the bottom so unless yo are trying to start a small earthquake then what would you hope to achieve?. Same thing really fo the enhanced radation. if it starts at the bottom a lot will be shielded by particles in the water. I think if used they would be against major naval bases , sub bases and Washington dc. So lets guess the 6 targets… Washington , Norfolk, Groton ,Charleston, New York?, and maybe the panama canal?

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            There’s also the SOSUS “Chain-Home” Sonar System at 1,440-feet below the Surface of the Atlantic Ocean. If it can detect a Soviet-era Tupelov Tu-95 Bear flying at 30,000-feet. I’m “fairly” curtain in can Detect a “Noisy Pinball Machine” Russian Kaitan Swimming Through the Depth’s of the Atlantic Ocean…

          • scott

            but you assume that everything is normal. if these are used then nothing is normal. it could be used as a weapon to take out the fleet while the fleet is in port. Correct me if i’m wrong but the ssbn’s can launch at port. Zap the port, zap the crew. As for the noise it could piggy back on or under a merchant ship. even cruising up under it would work. The biggest challenge would be to fiqure out what the signal is. since we’ve never heard it it won’t be in the library of sosus nor in the fleet. but again these are used when the missiles fly and after that who knows what will be left.

          • Secundius

            @ scott.

            In 1944 to 1945, the University of Auckland in New Zealand. Was Commissioned by a joint British/USA program called Project “Seal” about creating a “Tsunami Bomb”, after ~3,700 tests. The Conclusion was found that a Minimum Charge of 2.2-Megatons of High Explosives, Detonated ~8,000-meters off the Coast of a Enemy Nation was Required. After WW2, Several Atomic and Hydrogen Bomb Test were made, with “Mixed” Results…

      • Ryan Snaca AniloHectycle

        I agree. the entire point is to get around the missile defense system, which it would conceivably thin out considerably.

  • R’ Yitzchak M

    I am really sorry to bother you guys but this is really revealing news and the technology.. According to the conventional sources torpedo speed is 100kt but given it has a nuclear reactor as for a power generator I presume it is for the STEAM necessary to create front bubble stream for their new technology to generate speeds in excess of 350kt. Second issue regarding the “shadowing” those threats they are cognizant of that reality SO they are rapidly lowering necessary crew requirements; for lesser requirement of necessary crew supplies and inevitable numbers of causality after the launch. And the third the major one most likely Russians are aware that after the lunch they are the “toast” SO they could carry couple of Tsars on board just in the case of successful PRESENCE of US Navy to matter “enough” let say to contain the threat.. Captain could “scaffold” the sub with its “Tsars” in order to matter enough to create a “decoy” magnificent “issues” and to give its torpedo’s chance to succeed. So in perhaps 80% probability it is a West Coast threat and 20 for the East Coast (most likely during the hurricane season.. for the wind vector “issues”

    • Secundius

      @ R’ Yitzchak M.

      In theory, there is away to STOP the Russian Nuclear-Powered “Kaitan”. A “Cable Length” (185.2-meters long) Section of Two M58 MICLIC (MIne Clearing LIne Charge). Packed with ~7.44kg./meter or ~1,378.03982085-kilograms of C4 Explosive. Drag the MICLIC Line from a Freedom class LCS, at a point of the Torpedoes path trajectory (lack of a better word, sorry). Detonating the Charge, will create a Cascading Pressure Wave. Moving Out at 24,429,024.4743(deg) creating a Sonic Wall of Sorts that the “Kaitan”, either has to Circumnavigate Around or Slam Into It. Destroying the Torpedo. But, then again you have “A Lot of What If’s”. Speed of Sound in Saltwater is ~1,474.59m/sec…

  • Secundius

    Go ahead, you’re going to Redact ME ANYWAY…

    • R’ Yitzchak M

      My friend what is going on here?

      • Secundius

        @ R’ Yitzchak M.

        I said One “Forbidden NAME” and One “Forbidden WORD” in a Comment that I made. Both are Absolutely “VERBOTEN” to Printed in “ANY TEXTED” Form on USNI. First is Former Co-President of George W. Bush’s Presidential Administration. And Second who the Houston Headquartered Company, that he “Unofficially” DOESN’T Work for anymore. While Paying him, again “Unofficially” $34-Million/Year for being Co-President of the United States…

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  • Andrew Cropper Wakeman

    Russia and america can never fire a nuke its instant suicide and their families would be wiped out too. Both countries would be good at being partners rather than enemies.