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Video: Littoral Combat Ship USS Milwaukee Commissions

The following are highlights from the Nov. 21, 2015 commissioning ceremony of the Littoral Combat Ship USS Milwaukee (LCS-5). The ship is the third Lockheed Martin Freedom-class LCS built at the Marinette Marine shipyard and will be home-ported in San Diego, California.

  • emsteksrv

    This vessel will be used for………………..what?

  • disqus_zommBwspv9

    Put a bigger gun on it then at least it will be able to put up a fight

    • Ctrot

      And a longer ranged missile. And a decent radar. And ability to take damage. And longer range.

      Or just build a real frigate.

      • Secundius

        @ Ctrot.

        Just Exactly what does “Taking Damage” MEAN? Considering that there or were ONLY Four Ship’s in service, NONE have Seen Combat, and NONE have been SUNK. The CLOSEST any one of them came to Taking Damage or being Sunk, was while Traversing A Category FIVE Typhoon on the Saff-Simpson Scale in the Pacific in 2013…

        • Ctrot

          We’ve been here before. You refuse to comprehend anything critical of LCS. You’re not worth any more of my time. Feel free to search my post history on the subject and re-read the dozen or so replies I’ve already wasted my time issuing to you.

          • Secundius

            @ Ctrot.

            And you SPOUT None Supportable Rhetoric on something that NEVER seen Combat, YET. The OHP class got the same Rhetorical after they got built. And they WOUND UP being “GOOD” Ship’s, Maybe not the “GREATEST” of Ship’s. But GOOD IS BETTER THAN “NOTHING” AND DON’T TELL ME THAT THE “LCS’s”, ARE “WORSE THAN NOTHING”. UNLESS YOU HAVE SUPPORTING EVIDENCE TO COMPARE IT TOO…

          • Ctrot

            Capitalizing random words and then switching to all caps does not make your BS tangents any more believable.

          • Secundius

            @ Ctrot.

            IT’S THE ONLY WAY TO GET THROUGH THAT “NEUTRONIUM LINED” SKULL OF YOUR’S…

          • Ctrot

            No you do that with facts, something you have no knowledge of.

    • Curtis Conway

      The OTO Malera 76 mm has guided projectiles (search: Oto Melara Introduces a 76mm Version of Vulcano Multi-Mission, Long Range Naval Projectile Technology). They will be improved. Imagine what Naval Surface Warfare Center Dahlgren Division scientists and engineers could do with that?

  • Tim Dolan

    As someone who on occasion did operational planning for joint forces, these ships will be great in a Persian Gulf scenario, or Spratly islands/Indonesia Islands area, or possibly even the Caribbean.

    Especially a Persian Gulf scenario where they will be needed as minesweepers for about 3-6 weeks and then all but a couple converted back to SUW version and placed on patrol in the confined waters. They are excellent for Search and Rescue operations, anti-piracy/smuggling operations and presence operations where you don’t need a larger heavy-armed ship, such as working with smaller countries. Probably would not hurt to have a humanitarian module or four during peace time.

    Just my opinion,

    • bass_man86

      With respect are you with the PMO? As someone with 23 years of service in the surface Navy I will invite you to compare these ships with the Zeven Provincien class frigates that are in about the same price range. The Zeven Provincien frigates are actual warships, with a weapon range measured in hundreds of miles as opposed to a dozen and with three times the operating range. Those mission modules are easily one of the most misguided ideas anyone ever came up with. Consider the logistics of swapping modules and crews for starters. The whole LCS program should be scrapped and relegated to the same chapter in naval history as coastal defense battle ships and its backers should be arrested in tried for treason.

      • Tim Dolan

        No I am not with the PMO, even worse, I am retired Air Force Intelligence, we usually just find and then sink ships. 🙂
        Although as mentioned I have on occasion done joint planning.

        Actually the production models of the LCS are about half the price (~$432m, ~$350m without weapons)) in US dollars to the Norwegian ship Zeven Provincien (~$816m give or take an exchange rate). Not counting any modification we would have to make to the Norwegian ship to bring it up to US specs (although I suspect not a lot), So I can get two LCS for the price of one of those.

        I personally and professionally like the thought of being able to swap missions capabilities within a few days (or even a couple of weeks), especially for minesweeper types, you need a lot of minesweepers early on and then much later in a conflict, but not very many in the middle, but they have to be there at the start. It is really hard to get a lot of minesweepers made because they are not glorious combatants, but they are some of the most critical ships you can have in certain situations.

        • bass_man86

          Ye gads! Someone forget to hang garlic on the windows to keep the AF away! Do refrain from sounding like a bobble head and I may forget that you are AF! Find ships and sink them indeed! 😉 To address your comments in regards to the mission packages, it’s a flawed concept to say the least. I did Desert Storm and let me assure you that the sweeps were busy the entire time, not just at the beginning. Additionally, there is a lot of value to a well honed crew that operates as a team. With mission packages you loose that. Never mind a gas mileage comparable to a 1973 Delta 88 and the wimpy weapon system on these poorly designed frigates, because that is the LCS is. Finally, you should bear in mind that the Israeli Navy backed out on the program, than in itself should tell you something. The sooner we get rid of this ridiculous program, the better.

          • Tim Dolan

            For trivia, I have been subscribing to USNI Proceedings since 1981. If it helps any my Grandfather (mom’s father) served in the Navy on a destroyer during WWII and my Father did coast Guard auxiliary for many years until his passing.

            The Israelis have far different needs then we do, so not surprised they passed on it. Can’t see why they would want either of the designs based on their needs and geography of operations.

            The well honed crew is a valid argument, however if I can get a good enough crew and more of the specific ship types I need for a particular mission that can be better, especially if the good enough crew is American, we tend to be far more flexible than a lot of other nations in adapting to circumstance. A lot of well honed crews would admittedly be better, but you try selling congress on a bunch of minesweepers that rarely do any actual duty. I will take good enough and mission modules if it gets me more ships that do what I need for short periods.

            I am getting rambly, so I will stop with I don’t care what they call it, the LCS is an excellent minesweeper and anti-piracy ship. Way cheaper than a FFG.

  • Tim Dolan

    You did hit on the one area I see as an actual weakness to the LCS even in my scenarios, better counter Anti-ship missile capability. I agree it could use more of that.

    Also agree the FFG-7 was an outstanding ship from everything I could see about it. Loved using them in planning.

    Take into account I am a 25/50/25 or 30/40/30 kind of guy as in high/medium/low capability mix in that those are the amount of resources spend for each level of capability. SO I see utility in a lower cost ship that you can get out in more numbers.

    • Curtis Conway

      That ASCM/ASBM requires a capable sensor that gets you all the way to at least medium range AAW. A quantity of Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles (ESSM) on board is not beyond the pale, and solves so many problems.

      • Tim Dolan

        For the SSC version if they decide to build that (Cause the ones coming off the line aren’t that), then I think I would have to agree that system or a similar one would be required, but make sure at least one mission module is still available. Would be nice to have the ESSM, but I would still use the existing ships if I had them for the above missions.

        • Curtis Conway

          Let us let the Saudis pay for the development, and buy the new construct. It is head and shoulders better that what our folks have cooked up. Our construct was designed to cost. The Saudi construct is designed to survive in the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea.

  • PolicyWonk

    The irony, is that the version of LCS that the Saudi’s seek to purchase will have far more punch than the so-called “Littoral Combat Ship” that former CNO Adm. Jonathan Greenert admitted in an article in Breaking Defense was “never designed to venture into the littoral to engage in combat”.

    I understand the Saudi version will include a 16 cell Mark 41 vertical launch system (VLS), the Airbus/Cassidian TRS-4D AESA radar (with Link 16 data link system), an independent SeaRAM close-in weapon system with RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missiles, and the Saudi’s opted to replace the 57mm pop-gun with a much heavier-duty OTO Melara 76mm gun system – in addition to some other goodies I can’t recall.

    This is what the so-called “Small Surface Combatant” *should’ve* been (note that I’d still prefer an up-gunned/armored version of the HI Legend-class National Security Cutter, because they’re better sea boats – have longer legs, proven in the arctic, etc.), if the USN was going to stick with an “LCS-based” design.

    Instead, the LCS Program Office decided to continue with the current corporate welfare program.

    • Curtis Conway

      Amen, and Amen! Perhaps we can piggyback on the Saudi development work and just buy them outright. It’s better than what is coming by a long shot.

    • bass_man86

      Admiral Greenert is a politically correct wimp, that should tell you something!

  • Ctrot

    USS Milwaukee has broken down off the coast of Virginia and been towed back to port. Google it, I can’t post a link.

  • Harry Hoover

    McCain is an idiot. Grandpa only cares when election time comes around. He has turned our military into a girly-Queer country club and the VA hospitals into a slum. He lives less than four miles from the worse VA hospital in the country, and he didn’t see the problems?

    No way will this idiot get re-elected.